Quck test question??

[Lavacho]

I was just wondering what ester i would prefer when taking a cutting cycle? I'm looking to straight up cut...So i was thinking of running Test E at a low level of 300mg's / week..

My cycle was going to go something like this.

Test E - 300mg's / week ...15 weeks

Winni - 50mg's / ED 6 weeks

Var- 60mg's / ED 6 weeks

my last cycle was sust 500mg's/week for 12...Equipoise 500mg's/week for 12 weeks...and Mast at 50mg's ED for 6 weeks...Then i ran thebasic nolva / clomid PCT..

But again what type of test would best suit me...
I'll be doing this cycle in the spring time during my football off season workouts.

Thanks guys..

[1bigun11]

I was just wondering what ester i would prefer when taking a cutting cycle? I'm looking to straight up cut...So i was thinking of running Test E at a low level of 300mg's / week..

My cycle was going to go something like this.

Test E - 300mg's / week ...15 weeks

Winni - 50mg's / ED 6 weeks

Var- 60mg's / ED 6 weeks

my last cycle was sust 500mg's/week for 12...Equipoise 500mg's/week for 12 weeks...and Mast at 50mg's ED for 6 weeks...Then i ran thebasic nolva / clomid PCT..

But again what type of test would best suit me...
I'll be doing this cycle in the spring time during my football off season workouts.

Thanks guys..

Looks like your just running enough test to make up for the shutdown of your natty, and going to let the winni and var do the work for the first 6 weeks.

But then what are you going to do after that for the remaining 9 weeks of your cycle? Try to cut on 300 mg of test a week?

If so, imo, it really doesnt matter what kind of test you run bro. Too low of dose to matter.

["Maximus"]

Test Prop, dosed between 400-700mg per week should help you achieve far better results.. is quick acting, less water retention (thus bloat), and because of the short ester, it helps faster in protein syntesis which results in better fat burning results.

[trulbfan3]

go w/ the prop

[Lavacho]

Are you sure that ester length has anything to do with protein synthesis?

Second question....should i drop the winni and just increase my anavar to 70mg's ED? I mean i would do tren Ace but i'm in college..it's a little hard to not drink for the last 6 weeks of spring sem when the women are all out half naked!!!I LOVE COLLEGE

Thanks for the input fellas.

[gymnerd]

You can cut with test e especially with a long cycle like that if you are just running a maintenance dose and diet is squeaky clean especially with those other compounds they will help keep you dry.

[Lavacho]

Looks like your just running enough test to make up for the shutdown of your natty, and going to let the winni and var do the work for the first 6 weeks.

But then what are you going to do after that for the remaining 9 weeks of your cycle? Try to cut on 300 mg of test a week?

If so, imo, it really doesnt matter what kind of test you run bro. Too low of dose to matter.

Yea i ran 500mg's a/week of sust and f%ckin went from 212 to 238...granted my diet was insane and football lifting is all power lifts...But yea i want to run the lowest test levels i can..I just want to burn some fat and get my strength gains up..

What do you think about dropping the winni and just running low level test / higher does of anavar? like 8 weeks of var at 50mg's ED or 70mg's ED for 6 weeks...and i f'ed up my numbers...It"s not 15 weeks only 10 weeks of low level test...I'm thinking about tren but i'm a little scared of the sides...and i know you cant drink while your on it..

[Hazard]

It all depends on how prone to water retention you are. You can cut on Test E..... minimize sodium intake, drink atleast 1 gallon of water a day if not 1.5 gallons, and you can also take an AI to help keep water off.

Generally the shorter esthers are associated with less water retention..... it can be a pain tho having to inject everyday for more than 8 weeks.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

can you give us your stats and cycle history?

~Haz~

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Are you supposed to inject every day or eod for test prop?

[1bigun11]

Yea i ran 500mg's a/week of sust and f%ckin went from 212 to 238...granted my diet was insane and football lifting is all power lifts...But yea i want to run the lowest test levels i can..I just want to burn some fat and get my strength gains up..

What do you think about dropping the winni and just running low level test / higher does of anavar? like 8 weeks of var at 50mg's ED or 70mg's ED for 6 weeks...and i f'ed up my numbers...It"s not 15 weeks only 10 weeks of low level test...I'm thinking about tren but i'm a little scared of the sides...and i know you cant drink while your on it..

I hear ya bro. I miss my college days, you can believe that. But I got to be honest, winny and var (and deca and equipoise) never did shit for me. I need the high androgen roids (test, anadrol, dbol, tren) to keep my size and strength while cutting, and i let my cutting happen through my diet (not so much the roids). That's a different view than the traditional view I know, but I also know my body and what works for me.

So I'm gonna ask you to go back and try 500 mg test E a week and see if that doesnt work real good for you to keep your size and strength, and then do your cutting by cutting back on your food and calories and maybe doing a little cardio. I think you will like it, at least that works for me a lot better than anavar or winny.

On the other hand, some people swear by winny and anavar. So what the hell, how you supposed to know? I guess you gonna have to try for yourself.

I agree no tren if you gonna be partying. (and you shouldnt really on this testosterone either you know)

You sound like good guy. Peace

[Lavacho]

1bigun11- Iv'e never really gotten to much satisfaction from masteron, winni, or eq either. I mean mast just ****ed up my sleeping habbits...winn killed my joints....EQ didn't do shit for me...maybe help my vascular system a bit that's it. Sust has always been a good friend of mine...but i've never tried a straight up test...my roomate did 2 weeks of prop at 100mg's ED just to jump start his cycle..he said it was the greatest thing ever but it also felt like tyson just slammed his injection site...he does 600mg's of test E a week now for 15 weeks...he loves the shit...
I'm really thinking about just dropping the anavar / winni and just running...

6 weeks / test prop 100mg's EOD

6 weeks / tren A 100mg's EOD ---load em bother together

4 weeks / test E 300mg's a/week

or should i just run test E all 10 weeks? and do 75mg's ED of Tren A????

Thanks for all the help guys

P.S- Pretty sure i can stay off the booze for 6 weeks. Hope i can keep my hair..way to young for rogain

[Lavacho]

Need help setting up starting / stopping times for sure....

[Lavacho]

can you give us your stats and cycle history?

~Haz~

23 yrs old..in college...play football...5'8 215...15% BF

this would be my fourth cycle...my last cycle was 12 weeks of sust at 500mg's /week and EQ 500 mg's a/week with 6 weeks of Mast =(Shit sucks IMO) at 50mg's ED...then clomid/nolva for pct...i've been on the board for about 3 years now...

[leafman]

weeks 1-6 60mgs var every day

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week

weeks 8-14 75mgs winnt per day

weeks 12-14 100mgs prop every day

weeks 14-18 = pct

[Lavacho]

weeks 1-6 60mgs var every day

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week

weeks 8-14 75mgs winnt per day

weeks 12-14 100mgs prop every day

weeks 14-18 = pct

The main reason i want to drop the var was bc of the $$$$...sounds good but also sounds $1200

[amcon]

can you give us your stats and cycle history?

~Haz~

^^^^^^^please

if you want to cut that is diet... 80% of what you want to do is from what you eat. so, why are you using steroids?

[leafman]

The main reason i want to drop the var was bc of the $$$$...sounds good but also sounds $1200

$1200 fuk man someones pulling your pants down ,wouldent even pay near that for all pharma grade gear .

[Lavacho]

$1200 fuk man someones pulling your pants down ,wouldent even pay near that for all pharma grade gear .

6 weeks of anavar at 50mg's ED is around 500 alone....shits go for like 2$ a pill

[Vitruvian-Man]

The main reason i want to drop the var was bc of the $$$$...sounds good but also sounds $1200

... 1200 for var? Are you kidding me? lol. You're getting ripped off HARSH. btw, I find the optimal dosage for var is 80 - 100mg ED.

^^^^^^^please

if you want to cut that is diet... 80% of what you want to do is from what you eat. so, why are you using steroids?

I just want to....

He's using a Test-E/Anavar/Winstrol stack! That's a BASIC cycle.

I'm sure you've never used compounds to harden up and lean out

[Lavacho]

^^^^^^^please

if you want to cut that is diet... 80% of what you want to do is from what you eat. so, why are you using steroids?

I've been on this board for 2 years..the first thing that everyone said / showed me was how to clean my diet up. And why not take steroids?

1 cycle:

10 weeks sust 500mgs /week

6 weeks of winni 50mg's /week

2nd cycle:

12 weeks sust 500mg's /week

4 weeks d-bols 40mg's /week

6 weeks anavar 50 mg's/weel

3rd cycle:

12 weeks sust 500 mg's /week

12 weeks EQ 500 mg's/week

6 weeks Mast 50mg's ED

PCT....was nolva / clomid..

this would be my fourth cycle..

P.S- I'm not just another fat out of shape guy whos looking for a quick fix. So i would appreciate it if you didn't talk to me like i dont know dick about my body or what i'm doing.
2 cycle:

[Lavacho]

i mean before college it was football in the fall rugby in the winter, and lacrosse in the spring...now its just football in college..then i train mma with a bunch of my budies who fight all summer...just a little FYI..

[Lavacho]

[QUOTE=Vitruvian-Man;4883976]... 1200 for var? Are you kidding me? lol. You're getting ripped off HARSH. btw, I find the optimal dosage for var is 80 - 100mg ED.


i didnt mean just for the var...i ment for the guys whole cycle including pins + pct. Thanks for backing me up though.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I've been on this board for 2 years..the first thing that everyone said / showed me was how to clean my diet up. And why not take steroids?

P.S- I'm not just another fat out of shape guy whos looking for a quick fix. So i would appreciate it if you didn't talk to me like i dont know dick about my body or what i'm doing.
2 cycle:

I also think it's hilarious how the "diet" advice from Amcon is coming from a guy who just made a thread outlining what he eats during the day: "milk shakes, chocolate, cookies, cake..." what a stellar example of how dieting works.

I think some of you diet section boys have to cut the condescending tone.

[Lavacho]

bump.

[urbanbody]

Prop bro