Prop/Tren cycle

[Lavacho]

I just created board about deciding what type of test to use with a completely different cycle then this...But im just gonna say F it and do the tren..I was just scared about tren for a various amount of reasons.

Cycle: This is what im thinking...

6 weeks of Prop at 50mg's ED

6 weeks of Tren A at 75mg's ED

then 4 weeks of test E at 300mg's a/week

PCT- Nolva / clomid...might even take 10mg's ED of nolva..just to play it safe.


I need help playing with my numbers...and starting / stopping times... not looking to gain weight just straight up rip up and lean out. All my stats and cycle history are located on the board: Quick test question..Anything i should think about adding????? Also should i switch the Test lengths around...so like prop for 4 weeks and test E for 6 weeks????just a thought i'm having.

As always thanks for the help boy's....

P.S- First time using Tren and prop for that matter.

[Lavacho]

Waiting for that post BIG.

[D7M]

why don't you give us your stats and cycle experience so we don't have to go search for them.

I really don't care for the cycle as you have it at all.

Why not just stick with the prop?

[Lavacho]

23
215lbs
5'8
17-18%

I've played sports all my life...Football, rugby,lacrosse, and been training MMA for the past 3 summers.

I'm in my junior season as a college football player..it's d.3 so im just looking to make myself the best before my senior year. Thinking about Fighting after college before i go to OCS for the Army.
Here's my cycle Hist:

1 cycle:

10 weeks sust 500mgs /week

6 weeks of winni 50mg's /week

2nd cycle:

12 weeks sust 500mg's /week

4 weeks d-bols 40mg's /week

6 weeks anavar 50 mg's/weel

3rd cycle:

12 weeks sust 500 mg's /week

12 weeks EQ 500 mg's/week

6 weeks Mast 50mg's ED

PCT....was nolva / clomid..

this would be my fourth cycle..

[MR10X]

23
215lbs
5'8
17-18%

I've played sports all my life...Football, rugby,lacrosse, and been training MMA for the past 3 summers.

I'm in my junior season as a college football player..it's d.3 so im just looking to make myself the best before my senior year. Thinking about Fighting after college before i go to OCS for the Army.
Here's my cycle Hist:

1 cycle:

10 weeks sust 500mgs /week

6 weeks of winni 50mg's /week

2nd cycle:

12 weeks sust 500mg's /week

4 weeks d-bols 40mg's /week

6 weeks anavar 50 mg's/weel

3rd cycle:

12 weeks sust 500 mg's /week

12 weeks EQ 500 mg's/week

6 weeks Mast 50mg's ED

PCT....was nolva / clomid..

this would be my fourth cycle..

Which one of these cycles did you like the most.

[Lavacho]

Which one of these cycles did you like the most.

i would say my third...but i hated the mast..it ruined my sleeping habbits...and im not to sure if EQ really did anything but my diet was prob the best its ever been and i was in great shape going into this cycle so my numbers went through the roof...

[Lavacho]

My diet is pretty clean..Lots of red meat, fish, i enjoy mixing egg whites into my protein shakes..ON all the way. Milk, lots of different juices. Various fruits / veggies. Brown rice, Oatmeal, and sweet potato's. How ever i drink with my team on sat nights.. My diet does have some crap here and there but when i'm only cycle its very strict..usually take about 6 meals a day(on cycle). Right now with classes and football practice i usually just eat what i can get.

[Lavacho]

D7M do you not like tren? I would think that prop and tren would work hand and hand for me...that's why i wanted to add it...Plus bc of it's fat destroying properties. I would like to get my BF down to about 12%

[D7M]

D7M do you not like tren? I would think that prop and tren would work hand and hand for me...that's why i wanted to add it...Plus bc of it's fat destroying properties. I would like to get my BF down to about 12%

lol...I love tren.

But I do think you should focus on getting that BF down before you

cycle, since tren doesn't really "destroy fat".

[Lavacho]

lol...I love tren.

But I do think you should focus on getting that BF down before you

cycle, since tren doesn't really "destroy fat".

Understandable...So what would you have me do for my next cycle? just a reminder though im not trying to gain 1 pound..even though i know thats not possible...i just want to lean out...im big enough as it is for my height..

Thanks again for the help guys.

[MR10X]

I am doing 75mg ED now with 50mg of test suspension, Tren is very strong i have heard of people doing 100mg Ed I guess you just have to try a certian dose and see what side effects you get. I dont have any severe side effects with the 75mg ED. You could start at 50mg and up if you feel no bad effects.I dont think tren burns fat,i gained 4 pounds in 3 weeks and was lean muscle,my appetite is not very good on tren so i wasnt eating a lot of calories maby 3000 a day.
i did get stronger faster on tren than anything else i have used. 75mg a day would be a good starting dose.

[Lavacho]

I am doing 75mg ED now with 50mg of test suspension, Tren is very strong i have heard of people doing 100mg Ed I guess you just have to try a certian dose and see what side effects you get. I dont have any severe side effects with the 75mg ED. You could start at 50mg and up if you feel no bad effects.I dont think tren burns fat,i gained 4 pounds in 3 weeks and was lean muscle,my appetite is not very good on tren so i wasnt eating a lot of calories maby 3000 a day.
i did get stronger faster on tren than anything else i have used. 75mg a day would be a good starting dose.

thats good advice thanks man...just out of curiosity what does your cycle look like?

[Shadman05]

He is saying that your sides are prob. going to be pretty bad with that really high body fat. I would do more test then tren. Why in the world are u running test e after your cycle and only for 4 weeks????? I takes 5 weeks for the ester to kick in

[Lavacho]

He is saying that your sides are prob. going to be pretty bad with that really high body fat. I would do more test then tren. Why in the world are u running test e after your cycle and only for 4 weeks????? I takes 5 weeks for the ester to kick in

I was just looking for something to switch to after the prop...i'm looking for some input to help perfect this cycle...and from what I've read it takes 3 weeks for test E to kick in.

[stpete]

I just created board about deciding what type of test to use with a completely different cycle then this...But im just gonna say F it and do the tren..I was just scared about tren for a various amount of reasons.

Cycle: This is what im thinking...

6 weeks of Prop at 50mg's ED

6 weeks of Tren A at 75mg's ED

then 4 weeks of test E at 300mg's a/week

PCT- Nolva / clomid...might even take 10mg's ED of nolva..just to play it safe.


I need help playing with my numbers...and starting / stopping times... not looking to gain weight just straight up rip up and lean out. All my stats and cycle history are located on the board: Quick test question..Anything i should think about adding????? Also should i switch the Test lengths around...so like prop for 4 weeks and test E for 6 weeks????just a thought i'm having.

As always thanks for the help boy's....

P.S- First time using Tren and prop for that matter.

Adding the test e doesn't make much sence to me. Here's what i'd do:
Prop - Weeks 1-8 @ 75mgs ed
Tren a - Weeks 1-6 @ 50mgs ed
If your wanting to lengthen your cycle by a couple weeks you can, just run the test longer. And if you want to do the test e, start with the test e and start the tren at week 3 or 4.
Don't forget that your diet is dictate more than the juice if you "straight up rip up and lean out".
Good luck.

[MR10X]

I wouldnt bother with the test E at all,it would just take longer to recover if you add a slow release so late in the cycle. I would do 75mg test P and increases the tren to 75mg Ed for 6weeks and you could streach it out a couple more weeks depending on how the sides are at the 6 week point.The tren is the strongest compound in your cycle,i would try to keep that at least 75 mg ED. I take 20mg nolvadex during the whole cycle to keep from getting the estrogen sides from the test. I also take .25mg prami ED to help with the prolactin sides. The nolvadex will help to get your own test going again.With a short 6 or 8 week cycle you shouldnt have any problems.

[Lavacho]

I wouldnt bother with the test E at all,it would just take longer to recover if you add a slow release so late in the cycle. I would do 75mg test P and increases the tren to 75mg Ed for 6weeks and you could streach it out a couple more weeks depending on how the sides are at the 6 week point.The tren is the strongest compound in your cycle,i would try to keep that at least 75 mg ED. I take 20mg nolvadex during the whole cycle to keep from getting the estrogen sides from the test. I also take .25mg prami ED to help with the prolactin sides. The nolvadex will help to get your own test going again.With a short 6 or 8 week cycle you shouldnt have any problems.

Thanks a lot for the input man..But your saying don't go over 75mg's ED of tren...should i start off at 50mg's and see how my body reacts?

[Lavacho]

Adding the test e doesn't make much sence to me. Here's what i'd do:
Prop - Weeks 1-8 @ 75mgs ed
Tren a - Weeks 1-6 @ 50mgs ed
If your wanting to lengthen your cycle by a couple weeks you can, just run the test longer. And if you want to do the test e, start with the test e and start the tren at week 3 or 4.
Don't forget that your diet is dictate more than the juice if you "straight up rip up and lean out".
Good luck.

Thanks for the help man...B/c the prop is such a fast acting ester am i going to have any issues coming off?? That was my whole reasoning behind the Test E..you know going from super tested out to one shoot a week and slow / low test levels...but at the same time i did forget it takes about 5 weeks to kick in..with sust it was always 2 1/2 to 3 weeks for me..

[alpmaster]

How "clean" is your diet because your stats aren't so great for 3 cycles..

[chuckt12345]

How "clean" is your diet because your stats aren't so great for 3 cycles..

5'8" and 215 under 20% is a pretty big guy

[Lavacho]

5'8" and 215 under 20% is a pretty big guy

Thanks man...i mean i do play fullback for a college football team..

[alpmaster]

5'8" and 215 under 20% is a pretty big guy

edit, meh

[Lavacho]

edit, meh

How is this post helping me out?

P.S- My diet is listed above.

[Lavacho]

How "clean" is your diet because your stats aren't so great for 3 cycles..

I'm straight bulk with a little rip..I got up close to 240 on my last cycle and it sucked. But the reason for the bulk is the style of workouts i do..but they are mandatory team workouts..Mostly heavy ass weight and power lifts..I try to get in two a days since team w/o's are at 7am...but it's hard with school..maybe my bf is 16% i dont know...im a 33w32l jean guy..i dont have a kimbo slice 6 pack...but i dont have a gut either.

[chuckt12345]

adding test e at end would not be good idea,,, youd have to adjust doses and time frame if you do. If you start shootin E after your done with prop youll have a week or so laps in test. If you doin E because thats what you got then start out with it and then run the prop.

[Lavacho]

Alright so if i'm not looking to gain weight...Just gain strength / lean out what would be the best cycle for my body type?

[Lavacho]

Alright so heres what im thinking...

2 weeks of test prop at 50mg's ED (gonna start up then switch to the test E)

8 weeks test E at 500mg's a/week

6 weeks of Tren A at 75mg's ED

thinking of adding 6 weeks of winni at 50mg's ED

need help with the starting / stopping times for these compounds..

like when to begin the Tren and winni if i get it..

Thanks for the help guys.

[D7M]

Alright so heres what im thinking...

2 weeks of test prop at 50mg's ED (gonna start up then switch to the test E)

8 weeks test E at 500mg's a/week

6 weeks of Tren A at 75mg's ED

thinking of adding 6 weeks of winni at 50mg's ED

need help with the starting / stopping times for these compounds..

like when to begin the Tren and winni if i get it..

Thanks for the help guys.

Why do you want to switch to test E in the middle of the cycle.

It'd be sooo much simpler if you just used prop/tren.

For example:
Prop - Weeks 1-8 @ 75mgs ed
Tren a - Weeks 1-6 @ 50mgs ed

[Lavacho]

Why do you want to switch to test E in the middle of the cycle.

It'd be sooo much simpler if you just used prop/tren.

For example:
Prop - Weeks 1-8 @ 75mgs ed
Tren a - Weeks 1-6 @ 50mgs ed

Well it's what my roommate does..He loves prop but he says that prop injections were the worst compound he's ever injected. (pain wise)

Whats your thought on the winni?

[Shadman05]

Do 3-4 weeks of test prop

[D.quere]

Supposing that after the menstrual cycle has finished a few days or a week after bleeding occurs again, it is considered to be abnormal bleeding. So what must be done in order to perform the salaah?

[Lavacho]

supposing that after the menstrual cycle has finished a few days or a week after bleeding occurs again, it is considered to be abnormal bleeding. So what must be done in order to perform the salaah?

wtf?

[lovbyts]

Supposing that after the menstrual cycle has finished a few days or a week after bleeding occurs again, it is considered to be abnormal bleeding. So what must be done in order to perform the salaah?

Obvious Troll...

[Lavacho]

Obvious Troll...

what the hell are you 2 talking about?

[dec11]

Supposing that after the menstrual cycle has finished a few days or a week after bleeding occurs again, it is considered to be abnormal bleeding. So what must be done in order to perform the salaah?

ive seen this weird shit in the powerlift forum aswell

[BrunkerVic]

Your foolish to add winny to your cycle - it will result in an uneven strengthening of your joints, which makes the weaker joints unstable and more vulnerable to injury. If you don't know already, Tren is known for Decreasing cardiovascular endurance - a main reason why athletes such as yourself stay away from it. You claim you don't want to gain any weight, yet your interested in converting to a long-estered testosterone mid cycle? this will ensure you gain a few pounds of water weight. Prop injections are not much worse than any other test, and the added benefit of prop (maximizing test/minimizing water retention) are definitly worth this 'pain' your roomate was talking about.

You wanna get lean and not squander any of your athletic ability?

My last cycle was prop@100mg/EOD
Masteron 75mg/EOD
Equipoise 600mg/week

I am 5'10, I hit 215lbs with a full 6 pack at the peak of this cycle, I started with a gut at about 208. Just a thought

[Lavacho]

Your foolish to add winny to your cycle - it will result in an uneven strengthening of your joints, which makes the weaker joints unstable and more vulnerable to injury. If you don't know already, Tren is known for Decreasing cardiovascular endurance - a main reason why athletes such as yourself stay away from it. You claim you don't want to gain any weight, yet your interested in converting to a long-estered testosterone mid cycle? this will ensure you gain a few pounds of water weight. Prop injections are not much worse than any other test, and the added benefit of prop (maximizing test/minimizing water retention) are definitly worth this 'pain' your roomate was talking about.

You wanna get lean and not squander any of your athletic ability?

My last cycle was prop@100mg/EOD
Masteron 75mg/EOD
Equipoise 600mg/week

I am 5'10, I hit 215lbs with a full 6 pack at the peak of this cycle, I started with a gut at about 208. Just a thought

I know the side effects of both substances...thats why this cycle is off season...I was thinking about converting at first but then the more people i talked to the more i found out that was not going to be for me. But thanks for the imput..I hate mast it ****ed my sleep up and did shit for me personally..The Eq is straight but besides me being able to run 5 miles without getting winded it didn't do shit...What do you think about adding the Eq to fight for the cardio? just a thought...ill prob just do 8 weeks of prop / 7 weeks of tren...Thanks again though man

[Lavacho]

ive seen this weird shit in the powerlift forum aswell

yea some people are just fuc$ed

[Lavacho]

anyone else?

[RANA]

So did you start your cycle?
IMO your bf% is high, having said that I guess it would also depend on how solid you are underneath the bf%. There are difference in the way some can look and feel with 17%. Some carry it well because they are solid and some are soft.
IMO I would go with this cycle:
Tren A 75mg ED for 7 weeks
Prop 50mg ED for 8 weeks

Your dosage for tren is higher then prop because you want the tren to do all the work. Plus with these two compounds it seems like dont need that much test. I love tren and so will you if the sides are not bad.