500mg of test per week... NOT FOR EVERYONE!!

[ninesecz]

Just wondering what what you guys think.. Ended my cycle after 9.5 weeks of 500mg of test cyp. a week. Even had blood work done after the 5th week and just found out my test levels were around 1400.. (that is on Pharmaceutical grade test) I just do not think 500mg is a good point and believe that because of my mass and weight, the 500mg a wek I was taking was not nearly enough! Maybe on a 180# person it is more than enough but for me 16%BF and 273# it did not really raise my levels much!. On top of it I have been off for close to a month and I have not lost any weight. This makes me beleive The weight I out on was all mass and none of it was water. Just my thoughts

[Aizen Sosuke]

You could try 750mg next time. Yeah it sounds like solid lean mass. If it was water it would be gone by now.

[ryankely]

I need a gram/week to do anything

[bifda]

I need a gram/week to do anything

check diet.

[Lean1038]

I need a gram/week to do anything

I grew and felt great at 250mg weekly!

It was my first cycle, but still... We're all different.

[michael tyson]

I need a gram/week to do anything

jesus christ

[PC650]

I need a gram/week to do anything

a gram a week? i think something is wrong with all your guys diets lol are compounds bein used with the gram of test? what are your stats bro? you must be a monster

[ryankely]

a gram a week? i think something is wrong with all your guys diets lol are compounds bein used with the gram of test? what are your stats bro? you must be a monster

I have been using test for 20 years.(summer I use test along with a cutter and ghrp-6 and cjc-1295. Rest of the time, Test,d-bol,tren,slin and peptides) just like any drug,your body gets used to it. I never stop eating when I'm awake,about 240 in summer 255ish other than that. A gram may be high for beginners but is really nothing. My training partner used 3g/week, 12 weeks out of comp.(and ten other things)

[Ronnie Rowland]

Body weight has nothing to do with how much test you need to grow. If you need more bump up dosage to 750-1000 per week and go from there.

[maxtrin]

Just wondering what what you guys think.. Ended my cycle after 9.5 weeks of 500mg of test cyp. a week. Even had blood work done after the 5th week and just found out my test levels were around 1400.. (that is on Pharmaceutical grade test) I just do not think 500mg is a good point and believe that because of my mass and weight, the 500mg a wek I was taking was not nearly enough! Maybe on a 180# person it is more than enough but for me 16%BF and 273# it did not really raise my levels much!. On top of it I have been off for close to a month and I have not lost any weight. This makes me beleive The weight I out on was all mass and none of it was water. Just my thoughts

very Interesting

500mg/week ....and my test levels were around 5000 ... really

But I am only 86kg

My endocrinologist tell me that it depends on speed of your metabolism

[chuckt12345]

very Interesting

500mg/week ....and my test levels were around 5000 ... really

But I am only 86kg

My endocrinologist tell me that it depends on speed of your metabolism

agree

[redz]

Maybe the gear was underdosed. I like to stay around 750mg/week myself. I~m 6'2" 230lbs.

[stpete]

Did i read that right? 16% and 273?

[KimboHalfSlice]

When I took 583 mg a week, I put on 20 pounds in 3 months. But seeing as though I'm only 5'3", I probably have far less blood volume than most people on this forum who are about 5'9" or 5'10. Maybe taking 583 mg for me is like taking 800 mg for one of you guys. Maybe, I dunno.

[Mooseman33]

how in the hell did u get to 583mg?

that is real odd,,.

[Hazard]

how in the hell did u get to 583mg?

that is real odd,,.

LOL i thought the same thing.....

~Haz~

[chuckt12345]

250mg e3d

[BJJ]

How many cycles have you accomplished before this one?

[ted666]

so if you have a fast metabolism then youd need more or less ?

[ZaneTrain]

more. because you get rid of it faster

[TITANIUM]

Just wondering what what you guys think.. Ended my cycle after 9.5 weeks of 500mg of test cyp. a week. Even had blood work done after the 5th week and just found out my test levels were around 1400.. (that is on Pharmaceutical grade test) I just do not think 500mg is a good point and believe that because of my mass and weight, the 500mg a wek I was taking was not nearly enough! Maybe on a 180# person it is more than enough but for me 16%BF and 273# it did not really raise my levels much!. On top of it I have been off for close to a month and I have not lost any weight. This makes me beleive The weight I out on was all mass and none of it was water. Just my thoughts

Sounds solid bro.

Bump it next go around.

750 mgs minumum.

Best

T

[in2shape]

could do 625 mgs before u step to 750 ??????

[gymnerd]

Damn test levels should have been atleast 4000. I dont get that but I need more than 500mg as well 750 and above=magic time.

[BG]

Why would your size affect your testosterone levels??

[Big]

Why would your size affect your testosterone levels??

I was wondering the same thing, my first thought was underdosed gear.

[peachfuzz]

^thats what i thought. he said on "pharmaceutical grade test" but who knows what that means.

[KimboHalfSlice]

^thats what i thought. he said on "pharmaceutical grade test" but who knows what that means.

I figured he meant a product produced by the likes of Schering or Organon, as opposed to something that came from an underground lab.

By the way, about the 583 mg, I got that figure as follows:

1) Take the number 250 (the amount of milligrams of Testosterone Enanthate contained in one shot)
2) Divide it by 3 (because I was taking a shot every 3rd day), this will give you the daily dosage
3) Multiply by it by 7 (for 7 days in a week), this will give you the weekly dosage

So that's:

1) 250
2) 250 divided by 3 = 83.33
3) 83.33 multiplied by 7 = 583.33

[MR10X]

I figured he meant a product produced by the likes of Schering or Organon, as opposed to something that came from an underground lab.

By the way, about the 583 mg, I got that figure as follows:

1) Take the number 250 (the amount of milligrams of Testosterone Enanthate contained in one shot)
2) Divide it by 3 (because I was taking a shot every 3rd day), this will give you the daily dosage
3) Multiply by it by 7 (for 7 days in a week), this will give you the weekly dosage

So that's:

1) 250
2) 250 divided by 3 = 83.33
3) 83.33 multiplied by 7 = 583.33

The only problem with all this is some of the milligrams are not test but is esters.Only test suspension 100mg test is 100mg test. You havnt done test untill you have done test suspension 700mg a week.

[TRT,MAN]

^thats what i thought. he said on "pharmaceutical grade test" but who knows what that means.

maybe hes trying to say human grade. but coming out with ph grade. lol just a thought.

[zaggahamma]

thinking it is a good thing that anything you gain you keep and nothing gets lost but see the point about test level on that much

[Swifto]

Body weight has nothing to do with how much test you need to grow. If you need more bump up dosage to 750-1000 per week and go from there.

Agreed, nothing.

600mg/wk over 12 weeks will put your test levels over 2000. Dare I say your "pharm grade test" is fake or underdosed.

150lbs or 300lbs, your HPTA (if functioning normally) will still be the same. As far as I'm aware, reference ranges do not change due to body weight. Think about it, ranges do not change if your Jay Cutler or morbidly obese.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Agreed, nothing.

600mg/wk over 12 weeks will put your test levels over 2000. Dare I say your "pharm grade test" is fake or underdosed.

150lbs or 300lbs, your HPTA (if functioning normally) will still be the same. As far as I'm aware, reference ranges do not change due to body weight. Think about it, ranges do not change if your Jay Cutler or morbidly obese.

I believe it's the methadone taking him down to 1400. A very poweful drug that many do not fare well on!

[Swifto]

I believe it's the methadone taking him down to 1400. A very poweful drug that many do not fare well on!

I didnt think that.

Opiates can negatively effect the HPTA. But were talking about exogenous androgens here, not endogenous.




Effects of exogenous and endogenous opiates on the hypothalamic--pituitary--gonadal axis in the male.

Cicero TJ.

Narcotics acutely depress serum testosterone levels in the male. Three mechanisms could be involved: an enhancement of the degradation of testosterone; a direct inhibition of testicular steroidogenesis; or, finally, an inhibition of the hypothalamic-pituitary-luteinizing hormone (LH) axis resulting in a reduction in LH-dependent testicular steroidogenesis. The currently available evidence indicates that narcotics do not affect the catabolism of testosterone by the liver or testicular steroidogenesis. Rather, the data favor a direct action on the hypothalamic--pituitary--LH axis, probably by inhibiting the secretion of LH-releasing hormone (LH-RH) from the hypothalamus. The effects of narcotics on serum LH appear to be mediated via specific opioid receptors, suggesting that a naturally occurring opioid-like substance exists that normally inhibits LH. In support of this conclusion, opiate receptor blockers markedly increase serum LH levels shortly after their subcutaneous administration. In addition, endogenous opioids also seem to participate in testosterone's negative feedback control of the hypothalamic--pituitary--LH axis. Thus, it appears that opiate drugs inhibit the function of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis by occupying opiate receptors in the hypothalamus and, moreover, that endogenous opioids exist that normally bind to these receptors and regulate activity in this axis.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I didnt think that.

Opiates can negatively effect the HPTA. But were talking about exogenous androgens here, not endogenous.




Effects of exogenous and endogenous opiates on the hypothalamic--pituitary--gonadal axis in the male.

Cicero TJ.

Narcotics acutely depress serum testosterone levels in the male. Three mechanisms could be involved: an enhancement of the degradation of testosterone; a direct inhibition of testicular steroidogenesis; or, finally, an inhibition of the hypothalamic-pituitary-luteinizing hormone (LH) axis resulting in a reduction in LH-dependent testicular steroidogenesis. The currently available evidence indicates that narcotics do not affect the catabolism of testosterone by the liver or testicular steroidogenesis. Rather, the data favor a direct action on the hypothalamic--pituitary--LH axis, probably by inhibiting the secretion of LH-releasing hormone (LH-RH) from the hypothalamus. The effects of narcotics on serum LH appear to be mediated via specific opioid receptors, suggesting that a naturally occurring opioid-like substance exists that normally inhibits LH. In support of this conclusion, opiate receptor blockers markedly increase serum LH levels shortly after their subcutaneous administration. In addition, endogenous opioids also seem to participate in testosterone's negative feedback control of the hypothalamic--pituitary--LH axis. Thus, it appears that opiate drugs inhibit the function of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis by occupying opiate receptors in the hypothalamus and, moreover, that endogenous opioids exist that normally bind to these receptors and regulate activity in this axis.

Swifto, I think you may have mis-understood me. I am saying-Strong Narcotics can negatively affect both exogenous test levels and endogenous test levels.

[Swifto]

Swifto, I think you may have mis-understood me. I am saying-Strong Narcotics can negatively affect both exogenous test levels and endogenous test levels.

OK.

I just havent been able to find anything stating opiates can negatively effect exogenous hormones, only endogenous. Have you got anything that states opiates negatively affect exogenous hormones?

[ninesecz]

Go ahead and say it is underdosed! I will print this and bring it to my doctor who writes the cripts for the test! then I will tell the Rep from Watson Labs that 3 different bottles of test cycp from 3 different lots were all underdosed! and there is actually no such thing as HUMAN GRADE! That is an morons way of saying pharmaceutical grade just so you know! and everything is based on bodyweight! Everything ! Ask a doctor all orals are based on b0dyweight, the anmount of food you eat is based on b0dyweight, the amount of anestethic they give you is based on the amount of bodyweight to! never heard the conversions for amount of medicine per kilo of bodyweight? do some research!

[Swifto]

Go ahead and say it is underdosed! I will print this and bring it to my doctor who writes the cripts for the test! then I will tell the Rep from Watson Labs that 3 different bottles of test cycp from 3 different lots were all underdosed! and there is actually no such thing as HUMAN GRADE! That is an morons way of saying pharmaceutical grade just so you know! and everything is based on bodyweight! Everything ! Ask a doctor all orals are based on b0dyweight, the anmount of food you eat is based on b0dyweight, the amount of anestethic they give you is based on the amount of bodyweight to! never heard the conversions for amount of medicine per kilo of bodyweight? do some research!

I'm going to look into this more, as I'm still undecided. Although I know the HPTA is the same and I cant see how being heavier, be it LBM or fat, will change the amount of active testosterone in the body...

But for future reference, I'll be sure to use "pharm grade", as...Human grade doesnt exist...Right?

[SuperLift]

Go ahead and say it is underdosed! I will print this and bring it to my doctor who writes the cripts for the test! then I will tell the Rep from Watson Labs that 3 different bottles of test cycp from 3 different lots were all underdosed! and there is actually no such thing as HUMAN GRADE! That is an morons way of saying pharmaceutical grade just so you know! and everything is based on bodyweight! Everything ! Ask a doctor all orals are based on b0dyweight, the anmount of food you eat is based on b0dyweight, the amount of anestethic they give you is based on the amount of bodyweight to! never heard the conversions for amount of medicine per kilo of bodyweight? do some research!

lol damn bro take it easy

[Vitruvian-Man]

Go ahead and say it is underdosed! I will print this and bring it to my doctor who writes the cripts for the test! then I will tell the Rep from Watson Labs that 3 different bottles of test cycp from 3 different lots were all underdosed! and there is actually no such thing as HUMAN GRADE! That is an morons way of saying pharmaceutical grade just so you know! and everything is based on bodyweight! Everything ! Ask a doctor all orals are based on b0dyweight, the anmount of food you eat is based on b0dyweight, the amount of anestethic they give you is based on the amount of bodyweight to! never heard the conversions for amount of medicine per kilo of bodyweight? do some research!

Maybe your local pharmacy got sick of you scamming them (like a crack-head hobo trying to get extra methadone) for ~4mL of test each couple of weeks, so they decided to get back at you by giving you 10mL of B12. LOL. (p.s. I still think it's the most ridiculous con-job ever. not to mention you're a cheapo. LOL.)

Reference for anyone else:

Thread Title: "Pretty Happy I outsmarted the DR. and the Pharmacy again to my advantage!!"
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398541

I think giving you under-dosed gear would be a fitting punishment.

[ninesecz]

Maybe your local pharmacy got sick of you scamming them (like a crack-head hobo trying to get extra methadone) for ~4mL of test each couple of weeks, so they decided to get back at you by giving you 10mL of B12. LOL. (p.s. I still think it's the most ridiculous con-job ever. not to mention you're a cheapo. LOL.)

Reference for anyone else:

Thread Title: "Pretty Happy I outsmarted the DR. and the Pharmacy again to my advantage!!"
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398541

I think giving you under-dosed gear would be a fitting punishment.

Again, As I said before I still think you are the biggest Stroke on this entire forum!! I would love to see a pcture of you.. Just one! and dont talk crap If you show me one of you I will gladly post one of myself! You always have so much to say about everyone so lets ave a look at your great conditioning from all your knowledge of Steroids and use of them! And so you kn0w !@ I actually am prescribed Methadone by the same DOctor! If you know what these initials stand for please do what I amsking!! ESAD