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[johnq]

Ronnie, i started slingshot training and my cycle 3weeks ago am on reload at the moment everything going well except for the pain in my shoulders.
my cycle is
test e 750 week 1 to 8
deca 400 week 1 to 8
arimidex .50 eod
ive also been on hgh for 9weeks started on 2ius and built myself up to 6ius a day 5on 2off, ill run the hgh for 6months or more
am taking arimidex to prevent gyno which i had in my last cycle.
but am suffering from shoulder pain in both shoulders. so am stopping the arimidex from now. how long do you think it would take for my shoulders to get back to normal and is there anything i can take to make my shoulders feel better.
Cheers Ronnie very good info.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, i started slingshot training and my cycle 3weeks ago am on reload at the moment everything going well except for the pain in my shoulders.
my cycle is
test e 750 week 1 to 8
deca 400 week 1 to 8
arimidex .50 eod
ive also been on hgh for 9weeks started on 2ius and built myself up to 6ius a day 5on 2off, ill run the hgh for 6months or more
am taking arimidex to prevent gyno which i had in my last cycle.
but am suffering from shoulder pain in both shoulders. so am stopping the arimidex from now. how long do you think it would take for my shoulders to get back to normal and is there anything i can take to make my shoulders feel better.
Cheers Ronnie very good info.

john, I need to know specificially where your shoulders are aching and which exercises you are doing for chest and delts! Also, do you feel it hurting wrose during the performance of any specific chest or shoulder exercises?

[johnq]

john, I need to know specificially where your shoulders are aching and which exercises you are doing for chest and delts! Also, do you feel it hurting wrose during the performance of any specific chest or shoulder exercises?

the pain is in the joint between the shoulder and my delts same place on both sides, i have the pain all day, every time i move my arms or lift them up i find it uncomfortable when am sleeping, i need to warm up twice as much as normal when i do chest or shoulders i need to do 100reps of light weight, then when increase the weight and carry on with my routine the pain stops, i find my shoulders hurt more when i do everyday things.
the pain getting worse everyday.
am sat here doing pressing movements and my shoulders dont hurt but if i twist n turn my elbows up it hurts alot.
i dont think the pain as got anything to do with my training or exercises.

chest routine
bench press flat
dumbell press incline with DB
flat flyes with DB

shoulder
DB press seated
upright rows
DB side raises

[Ronnie Rowland]

the pain is in the joint between the shoulder and my delts same place on both sides, I AM GOING TO ASSUME YOU MEAN THE PAIN IS LOCATED IN THE PEC/DELT TIE- IN LOCATED IN THE ANTERIOR REGION OF THE SHOULDFER GIRLDLE? i have the pain all day, every time i move my arms or lift them up i find it uncomfortable when am sleeping, i need to warm up twice as much as normal when i do chest or shoulders i need to do 100reps of light weight, then when increase the weight and carry on with my routine the pain stops, i find my shoulders hurt more when i do everyday things. HOW LONG HAS THIS PAIN BEEN GOING ON AND DO YOU REMEMBER INJURING THEM AT ONE POINT? WE ALL KNOW THAT ARIMIDEX CAN CAUSE SEVERE JOINT PAIN BUT HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN INCREASE IN PAIN FROM TAKING GH?
the pain getting worse everyday. YOU NEED TO STOP ALL PRESSING MOVEMENTS UNTIL THIS THING CLEARS UP!
am sat here doing pressing movements and my shoulders dont hurt but if i twist n turn my elbows up it hurts alot.
i dont think the pain as got anything to do with my training or exercises.

chest routine
bench press flat (CAN BE BAD) YOU NEED TO DO A SLIGHT DECLINE PRESS USING A SMITH MACHINE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

dumbell press incline with DB (WHAT ANGLE OF INCLINE) BAD FOR TIE-IN IF ANGLE IS HIGH OR DUMBBELLS ARE BROUGHT DOWN TOO DEEP
flat flyes with DB (CAN BE BAD) TOO MUCH STRETCH ON TIE IN. BEST OFF USING A MACHINE AND LETTING ELBOWS COME BACK ONLY TO PARALLEL WITH BODY.
shoulder
DB press seated (CAN BE BAD FOR NOW) YOU NEED TO STICK A MACHINE AND LOWER YOUR HANDS ONLY TO THE EAR LOBES
upright rows
DB side raises

I asked a few more question above to try and get more information about your situation and I provided some suggestions.

You'll need to stop all pressing movements until this thing clears up. Once you get back to training, some exercise adjustements will need to be made and your form must change. What your going to need to do is use less weight and do slower repetitions using meticulous form. This means concentrating on the muscle being worked more than trying to lift more weight. You'll want to keep reps high as well.

We all have to make certain adjustments from time to time and if you keep going you could develop permanent tendontitus which could involve getting frequent cortisone shots or worse.

[johnq]

I asked a few more question above to try and get more information about your situation and I provided some suggestions.

You'll need to stop all pressing movements until this thing clears up. Once you get back to training, some exercise adjustements will need to be made and your form must change. What your going to need to do is use less weight and do slower repetitions using meticulous form. This means concentrating on the muscle being worked more than trying to lift more weight. You'll want to keep reps high as well.

We all have to make certain adjustments from time to time and if you keep going you could develop permanent tendontitus which could involve getting frequent cortisone shots or worse.

thanks for the suggestions ill take it all on board, my training form as been good ive never had any injuries before, now you mentioned hgh my joints have felt sore since starting hgh.
this is the pain level from 1to 10 of how much it hurts. been on hgh for 9 weeks
week 3 to week 7 pain level 3 out 10
week 7 to week 9 pain level 7 out 10
yesterday i was in pain but today they feel alot better,
i think it must have something to do with the hgh, then when i added arimidex the pain got worse.
do you think my joint pain will improve if i carry on taking hgh or get worse?
am starting week 4 of my deca and test cycle, i heard that deca helps with joint pain if so that should start kicking soon.
just been reading on the side effects of hgh. if you take to much or increase your dose to quick it can coarse these side effects
aching and stiff joints
swollon hands and feet
water retention
pins n needles in hands
i have all of the above sides, shall i drop the dose back down to 2ius then increase the dose slowly like 1iu a week?
or shall i carry on doing 6ius a day and hope my sides will improve?

Ronnie thanks alot, cheers for your advice.

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks for the suggestions ill take it all on board, my training form as been good ive never had any injuries before, now you mentioned hgh my joints have felt sore since starting hgh.
this is the pain level from 1to 10 of how much it hurts. been on hgh for 9 weeks
week 3 to week 7 pain level 3 out 10
week 7 to week 9 pain level 7 out 10
yesterday i was in pain but today they feel alot better,
i think it must have something to do with the hgh, then when i added arimidex the pain got worse.
do you think my joint pain will improve if i carry on taking hgh or get worse?
am starting week 4 of my deca and test cycle, i heard that deca helps with joint pain if so that should start kicking soon.
just been reading on the side effects of hgh. if you take to much or increase your dose to quick it can coarse these side effects
aching and stiff joints
swollon hands and feet
water retention
pins n needles in hands
i have all of the above sides, shall i drop the dose back down to 2ius then increase the dose slowly like 1iu a week?
or shall i carry on doing 6ius a day and hope my sides will improve?

Ronnie thanks alot, cheers for your advice.

Yes, I feel it's the GH causing your problem. Deca should certainly help with joint pain. I would recommend dropping the GH back to only 2 ius per day and continue staying off the arimidex. Give the deca 3-4 weeks to kick in and then you can start adding 1iu of GH every week and see how you respond. If you start experiencing more pain then back off the GH. Some people cannot tolerate more than 2ius of GH per day. You may be one of those people!

GOOD LUCK!