Dianabol and Test-E cycle. Dont see much of a difference..

[Exilus]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

[PistolPete33]

Your gear is bunk stop taking it ASAP and DON'T EVEN THINK OF TOUCHING ASS FOR ANOTHER 7 YEARS!!!! WTF is wrong with you????

[Exilus]

Well i dont see whats wrong with my diet. I get my 250g protein daily, 800 CH and quite a lot of fats. Vitamins and calories aren't a problem either.

Im not concerned about long-term damage. i asked a specific question and want to know if theres a delay before the effect of the steroids "kicks in". Stop judging me and just answer my question. So far it was worth it just for the psychological effects but it seems no better than antidepressants so i'd like the anabolic effects to come.

[RANA]

You have no idea what your doing,
Your 18yrs old and will cause damage to yourself,
Your eating like a girl just out of school, Exactly how much is that?
You have no natural base,
Come off gear and build a base for the next 5 yrs,
Stay in the diet section and do alot of research,
I doubt you will get advice when you have been told over and over again not to cycle.

Well i dont see whats wrong with my diet. I get my 250g protein daily, 800 CH and quite a lot of fats. Vitamins and calories aren't a problem either.

Im not concerned about long-term damage. i asked a specific question and want to know if theres a delay before the effect of the steroids "kicks in". Stop judging me and just answer my question. So far it was worth it just for the psychological effects but it seems no better than antidepressants so i'd like the anabolic effects to come.

Good answer!

[johnCash]

your diet sucks! theres no way you get enough cals. per day

[SunHangDo]

Im not concerned about long-term damage.

I may be new, but I gotta say that this is the stupidest thing I have ever read on here. You may THINK you're invincible at 19, but you aren't.


Listen, over the past month of researching about AAS, I have read more than a dozen stories about teens who did exactly what you are doing, and permanently damaged their bodies. Ruined sex drive, inability to perform, a life time of hormone replacement, and serious chronic health issues are all things you are BEGGING to have happen to you with your attitude of wilful ignorance.

LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE HERE! THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

And remember this old proverb:

"A fool says that he is wise, but a wise man accepts instruction."

Think of it like this:

Right now, you're a trainee on a demolition crew. The senior demolition experts are trying to teach you how far back from the explosion to stand so you won't get hurt. But all YOU care about is blowing up the building. What you refuse to understand is that to make a career out of demolitions, you first need to learn proper safety protocol, otherwise you'll die In an explosion. Sure, the building will still be demolished, and in record time too. But you won't be around to collect the contract fee.

Now, ask yourself this: if you were a demolitions expert, and a brand new employee was refusing to take the safety course, would you let him wire the bomb? Or would you fire him?

[BJJ]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

That says it all!

Look, you are eating and working-out incorrectly. This is what I would tell you if you were here to remain natural.

But since you want to use aas, actually you already started, I want to tell you to stop NOW.

Listen to me, ask the vets here how to start a proper pct suddenly to save your inner glands.
In the mean while, get on the diet section, the work-out section and LEARN!

PS
If you want a mate to talk to and understand the reasons that brought you to decide doing such a bad thing to your organism, you can pm me.
I'll be happy to help you out without judging you, after all I were 18 too!

[powerliftmike]

You know what the hardest thing about building muscle is? Its not training, although that would seem like it, its not trying to find a legit AAS source. None of that. IT IS EATING!

You have to do that last one 7 days a week 365 days a year. Multiple times per day. Eating tasteless chicken. Knocking back olive oil that leaves the bad taste in your mouth. Precooking meals. Hauling food with you to work, vacation, everywhere. I even bring meals when I go see **** buddies. It is dedication. It is hard work. When you are bulking you will be so sick of eating. You will want to vomit. The digestion system has had enough. Keep going.

Do not give me the I eat enough bullshit. You have to eat til you are sick sometimes. It is hard ****ing work. You are young, you have a fast metabolism ,that means it is going to be even harder!! you will have to pile on the calories.

[big_k]

One of the worst routines I've seen on here..


No legs, no Deadlifts

[Hard.On]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

This is a joke right
You should have checked the boards everyday for months before you started your cycle. Even though you are young/ This is the crapiest diet and workout routine ive seen in a while.

You should start PCT yesterday

and those 10 pounds were water reten. fromn the dbol

you will be losing that and more by the time your done.

[doctorb325]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

I'm sure your getting pretty steamed about how people are ripping you apart, but let me give you some honest and sincere advice. Please take time to consider this over, I'm not trying to give you bad advice or screw you over (nobody here is) we are just trying to tell you what works and what doesn't from our own experience.

At age 19, you are still producing a very high level of natural testosterone. To tell the truth, I'm only 21, I've been training for 9 years, and my test is still very high compared to many others. This irritates many people because they feel like taking steroids is just flat out unnecessary. Also, at 157 pounds, you can still pack on MUCH MUCH more weight naturally. In fact, with correct training and diet, you could be seeing visible gains and improvements in size and strength every month or two NO JOKE. I have an extremely ectomorphic body type, I eat 5-7 thousand calories a day and I still am having trouble breaking 210 pounds at 6'0", so i know for a fact that for you to weigh at least 190 with a single digit body fat percentage isn't asking too much.

Your problem is most likely in your training. You need to train LESS frequently every week, with fewer sets per body part but MUCH MUCH more intensity and perfect form. I mean train with an intensity so that you can not make one more honest rep without your muscles failing. This will give you growth. Your muscles do not grow unless they are given a task beyond their means, so they have to adapt. If you train very intensely three times a week, with plenty of recuperation time in between workouts, you will gain faster than if you misused steroids and trained poorly. The problem is that genetically normal people like you and me don't recover as fast as naturally muscular and mesomorphic people. They will pack on muscle and recover MUCH faster than the normal person. You simply can not follow a workout routine of living in the gym 2 hours everyday without burning out your body and lowering your own natural testosterone significantly by overtraining. This philosophy is even used by Dorian Yates and Mike Mentzer.

The second part is your diet. It is necessary to up your calorie intake by AT LEAST 2000 calories everyday while on cycle for bulking purposes. You should already be eating much more than you are. After all, the steroids don't actually turn into muscle, it is good quality food that does. If you can not eat that much because you don't have time or enough money to afford the groceries, I recommend that you get the recipe for good weight gaining protein shake with plenty of natural fruits. Don't waste your money on weight gainers from GNC when you can make the same thing in your blender for half the cost.

It's a given that you're already on cycle, so I assume you plan on finishing this cycle at least. Okay, well at least correct your training and diet intake. After this cycle, I really feel as if you have no need to use gear for at least a few more years until you have reached what is your own GENETIC NATURAL MAXIMUM. Otherwise it is a waste of gear. Is it really worth playing with fire when you could achieve the same results much more safely??? The reason is: If you don't know how to train and diet correctly off cycle, you will promptly lose a good 30-50% if not more of your gains once you come OFF cycle. I have seen this happen in my gym all the time. Guys blow up on cycle, throw up huge weights, a few months later they're skinny and weak again.

[Okinawa_Power]

Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.

Stats:

Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years


Diet:

7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana

Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly

3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps


Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations

Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices

Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)

Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back

Young man your diet looks like you are trying to lose weight... You need to start eating like a ****ing man and you might make some gains......