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[Juicedupmonkey]

Ronnie your STS seems great I'm just trying to fifure out during the deload you say to decrease, bridge or stop all anabolics. so I'm planning on doing a cycle of test E and equipose at 500mg test/ew and EQ at 500mg/ew and planning on doing it for 12-14 weeks total, so after the first 8 weeks of reloading I then do a deload but since EQ and Test E are long esters is it still gonna work the same? If I were doing test prop it would be out of my system fast, but during the deload the eq and test E will still be working in my body. Sorry I just don't understand how it works with long acting esters?? Can you explain in pretty good detail how it works with the long esters would I just stop injecting for 2 weeks then start back up????

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie your sts seems great i'm just trying to fifure out during the deload you say to decrease, bridge or stop all anabolics. So i'm planning on doing a cycle of test e and equipose at 500mg test/ew and eq at 500mg/ew and planning on doing it for 12-14 weeks total i would go with eq/test for 20 weeks straight for better gains, so after the first 8 weeks of reloading i then do a deload but since eq and test e are long esters is it still gonna work the same? yes it will work great! You simply keep in the test and the eq at lower dosages during the 2 week deload. I would suggest 250 mgs of test and 250 mgs of eq. You would not have to keep in the eq during the deload to make maximum muscle gains but you will need to keep it in inorder to obtain maximum vascularity because eq increases rbc (red blood cell count over-time) if i were doing test prop it would be out of my system fast, but during the deload the eq and test e will still be working in my body. having the long acting esters active in your system during a deload is optimal because gains are finalized during this 2 week time span when training volume is reduced (deload). Think of it as a 10 week cycle where you taper down during the last 2 weeks. Sorry i just don't understand how it works with long acting esters?? Your androgen levels will be down some during 1st week of reload but thats what you want! Can you explain in pretty good detail how it works with the long esters would i just stop injecting for 2 weeks then start back up???? just drop both your test and eq dosages in half during deload and bump them back up during following reload.

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[Juicedupmonkey]

Thank you for the fast reply, that answered my question just cut the dose in half, thanks. And you say to run the cycle for 20weeks, isn't that kinda long? What about my bodys ability to produce it's own test in the future? I don't want my balls to stop producing permenantly with the pretty much non stop use of AAS. You recommend doing many cycles throughout a long time period only ever taking a couple weeks off at a time? Isn't that a big strain on your body? I just don't wanna be on HRT by the time I'm 30.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...you say the deload... allows the body to grow for a bit longe...r before leveling off... ..how does this relate to mike mentzer and dc training....low volume training?????

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie...you say the deload... allows the body to grow for a bit longe...r before leveling off... ..how does this relate to mike mentzer and dc training....low volume training?????

A lot of people who begin DC Training gain strength at a rapid rate at the beginning but the gains level off fast. The same thing happens to people using Slingshot Training during the 2 week deload-the gains are fast, but short lived.

Mentzer made some great gains when he reduced volume. Why? Because had been over-training! His mistake was reducing volume too much in his latter days. Mentzer was a genetic freak who gained most of his muscle mass doing 6-12 intense sets per body part once a week during his competitive years! Later in life he went with very low volume (1-2 sets per week) but he never gained anymore size with such little work. He was only able to maintain some of what he had built at that point.

NOTE: Mentzer sold a lot of books-hence made a ton of money by saying only 1-2 work sets per week was needed. Many who were looking for an easy way out bought into his 1-2 sets per week hogwash. Too bad it doesn't work because it would save us a lot of time in the gym.

[Juicedupmonkey]

Okay so i'm either going to do a 16 week cycle or a 20 week cycle, and i'm gonna dose it as shown here. Test is dosed at 250mg/ml and EQ is 300mg/ml so planning on just doing 2ml each a week. That might change though when the time comes, I'd like to not go over 1000 but it's just easier dosing it at 2ml instead of trying to do 500 which is 1ml + 2/3rd's of a ml so 1.66ml
Week 1-6 (reload): Test Enanthate 500mgs/week
Week 1-6 (reload): Equipose 600mgs/week
Week 7-8 (deload): Test Enanthate 250mgs/week
Week 7-8 (deload): Equipose 600mgs/week
Week 9-14 (reload): Test Enanthate 500mgs/week
Week 9-14 (reload): Equipose 600mgs/week
Week 15-16 (deload): Test Enanthate 250mgs/week
Week 15-16 (deload): Equipose 300mgs/ml
Week 1-20 : Armidex 1mg/ed (Comes in 1mg caps so can't split it in half) Last cycle I did I definatly noticed Gyno coming on, So i'm taking Arimidex every time I cycle now.

Then PCT after with nolva/Clomid combo Nolva: 40/40/20/20 Clomid:150/150/100/50... or something similar to that, my other option of the 20 week cycle is the same just extend the reload another 2 weeks each time. Ronnie you said to just do HCG at the end of the cycle and then do a full blown PCT, what would my dosing be for HCG if I were to just do it at the end? And at which week would i start the HCG? I've only ever done HCG throughout a cycle never after so i'm kinda "hazy" on the protocol of HCG post cycle

[Ronnie Rowland]

okay so i'm either going to do a 16 week cycle or a 20 week cycle, and i'm gonna dose it as shown here. Test is dosed at 250mg/ml and eq is 300mg/ml so planning on just doing 2ml each a week. That might change though when the time comes, i'd like to not go over 1000 but it's just easier dosing it at 2ml instead of trying to do 500 which is 1ml + 2/3rd's of a ml so 1.66ml
week 1-6 (reload): Test enanthate 500mgs/week
week 1-6 (reload): Equipose 600mgs/week
week 7-8 (deload): Test enanthate 250mgs/week
week 7-8 (deload): Equipose 600mgs/week (reduce to 300 per week during deload)
week 9-14 (reload): Test enanthate 500mgs/week (increase to 750 per week during second reload phase)
week 9-14 (reload): Equipose 600mgs/week
week 15-16 (deload): Test enanthate 250mgs/week
week 15-16 (deload): Equipose 300mgs/ml
week 1-20 : Armidex 1mg/ed (comes in 1mg caps so can't split it in half) last cycle i did i definatly noticed gyno coming on, so i'm taking arimidex every time i cycle now.(use only 1 mgs eod at the most-you need some estrogen to grow and prevent joint pain)

then pct after with nolva/clomid combo nolva: 40/40/20/20 clomid:150/150/100/50... Or something similar to that, my other option of the 20 week cycle is the same just extend the reload another 2 weeks each time. Ronnie you said to just do hcg at the end of the cycle and then do a full blown pct, what would my dosing be for hcg if i were to just do it at the end? take hcg at 2500 iu evey other day for 14 days and at which week would i start the hcg? when doing a modifed pct start at beginning of each deloads. When doing a full blown start during next reload which is after deload. I've only ever done hcg throughout a cycle never after so i'm kinda "hazy" on the protocol of hcg post cycle

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

A lot of people who begin DC Training gain strength at a rapid rate at the beginning but the gains level off fast. The same thing happens to people using Slingshot Training during the 2 week deload-the gains are fast, but short lived.

Mentzer made some great gains when he reduced volume. Why? Because had been over-training! His mistake was reducing volume too much in his latter days. Mentzer was a genetic freak who gained most of his muscle mass doing 6-12 intense sets per body part once a week during his competitive years! Later in life he went with very low volume (1-2 sets per week) but he never gained anymore size with such little work. He was only able to maintain some of what he had built at that point.

NOTE: Mentzer sold a lot of books-hence made a ton of money by saying only 1-2 work sets per week was needed. Many who were looking for an easy way out bought into his 1-2 sets per week hogwash. Too bad it doesn't work because it would save us a lot of time in the gym.

ronnie....did mentzer gain...when he reduced sets to 2 a week???in latter days???

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie....did mentzer gain...when he reduced sets to 2 a week???in latter days???

Doubtful!

[Ronnie Rowland]

thank you for the fast reply, that answered my question just cut the dose in half, thanks. And you say to run the cycle for 20weeks, isn't that kinda long? if you want to be 100% safe simply do 10 weeks on/10 weeks off! just don't expect to make as many gains. You might want to consider 20 week cycles depending on your goals, etc. what about my bodys ability to produce it's own test in the future? since you are concerned with your own test in the future you could do 10 weeks on and 10 weeks off-pct. Or you could also just run some pct along with each deload for a 20 week period even though you are still on a small dose of anabolics then do a full blown pct and take 8-10 weeks off. don't want my balls to stop producing permenantly with the pretty much non stop use of aas. You recommend doing many cycles throughout a long time period only ever taking a couple weeks off at a time? you follow this method until you decide to come off all drugs and do a full blown pct. How long you stay off after your own test is back into production is up to you. You can do a 10 week cycle and stay off for a whole year before going back on if you desire. you still continue reloading and deloading with training volume regardless! isn't that a big strain on your body? the more you take and the longer you take, the more gains you make, but on the flip side the harder it can be on the body. It's a trade off and i strongly suggest that everyone do what's right for them. Time on is going to vary amongst each individual. i just don't wanna be on hrt by the time i'm 30. I understand and side effects vary amongst each individual. No one can forsee what your body will do in the future. Not even an endocrinologist. I know this because my good friend has been a practicing endo for years and it can be different for everyone. If in doubt, do less anabolics.

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[Juicedupmonkey]

Would a PCT during a deload do anything? Since the anabolics are still working and present in your body? What would taking clomid/nolva do?? I thought you had to get all the steroids out of your system before PCT would be effective. Would You suggest the use of HCG for doing a 20 week cycle, at like 250-500ui a week? I'm considering doing a 20 week cycle just I don't want all these steroids ruining my body just for a much better physique. And do you know of people who are on HRT from doing long cycles you have suggested? Are you still producing naturally?

[Ronnie Rowland]

would a pct during a deload do anything?most definetly will help! The use of hcg during 2 week deloads (steroids still in system) will help decrease testicular atrophy. And as i have stated many times, gains are finalized during the 2 week deload. Some of my clients feel that during this 2 week deload they makes their best progress in both strength and muscle gains. Some reasons for this are as follows: Reduced training volume, hcg injection for two weeks help increase natural testosterone levels-hence causing an accumlative affect to the the already high androgen in the blood from anabolic steroids. Hcg is very important for steroid users due to the fact that it can help bring testosterone levels back to near normal levels during a cycle. It brings forth some homeostasis in the body. This is why some hardcore bodybuilders who are interested in staying fertile use hcg for 2-3 week intervals during every steroid cycle.
Since the anabolics are still working and present in your body? What would taking clomid/nolva do?? some use clomid/nolva in addition to hcg to maximize LH. . Help put the body back in a state i thought you had to get all the steroids out of your system before pct would be effective. Would you suggest the use of hcg for doing a 20 week cycle, at like 250-500ui a week?yes, you could inject around 2500 ius per week. Some opt to use nolvadex and clomid during this time to increase lh but it's not mandatory and i feel these two drugs are best used only during full blown pct. You could use hcg every 7 days (once a week) during deloads. . I'm considering doing a 20 week cycle just i don't want all these steroids ruining my body just for a much better physique. And do you know of people who are on hrt from doing long cycles you have suggested? A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with hcg. I know of a few but they never went off or used HCG.Are you still producing naturally? I began HRT at age 32 but it was not steroid related. I went 32 years without even touching a pro-hormone! Some pain medication they put me on after back surgery was the cause.

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