Cardio Fat Burn after weights workout??

[energizer bunny]

I have to say from my experience don't try to do both so close.
Most of the research says a minimum of 6 hours between lifting and cardio.
You will need a dedicated workout for each. Anything less and you sacrifice muscle (and weep accordingly).
Cheers!

not trying to be an asshole...but id like to see the research that says this...if you have it.

[dec11]

not trying to be an asshole...but id like to see the research that says this...if you have it.

yep, me too. complete bs

[big_k]

not trying to be an asshole...but id like to see the research that says this...if you have it.

I believe the research is considered broscience.

There are many successful bodybuilders AND countless individuals who got ripped by cardio after weights. I am not going to go into the science because I don't feel like citing articles, but I believe it has been stated that PWO cardio is primetime for fat burning.


Furthermore if you had to follow a 6 hour in between protocol, for guys doing 2 a days with cardio, that would mean going to the gym 3 times a day.


And lastly, as everyone stated I will just reiterate PWO Shake AFTER cardio & weights.

[workoutfreak078]

I believe the research is considered broscience.

There are many successful bodybuilders AND countless individuals who got ripped by cardio after weights. I am not going to go into the science because I don't feel like citing articles, but I believe it has been stated that PWO cardio is primetime for fat burning.

I agree. I am one of those people that got shredded from doing cardio after weights. I do high-intensity cardio though. I never lost a pound of muscle doing this. I would lift for about 45 minutes to an hour, then I would do high-intensity cardio for 20 minutes, then have my PWO nutrition. It works wonders.

[CaliPhotog]

I agree. I am one of those people that got shredded from doing cardio after weights. I do high-intensity cardio though. I never lost a pound of muscle doing this. I would lift for about 45 minutes to an hour, then I would do high-intensity cardio for 20 minutes, then have my PWO nutrition. It works wonders.

Agreed! Same here. Never had any problems doing either high or low intensity after workout session. I got better results from high intensity and lower volume than I did with low intensity and higher volume. Sprints shredded me up real good and it seemed to shape my quads really nicely.

[spywizard]

I agree. I am one of those people that got shredded from doing cardio after weights. I do high-intensity cardio though. I never lost a pound of muscle doing this. I would lift for about 45 minutes to an hour, then I would do high-intensity cardio for 20 minutes, then have my PWO nutrition. It works wonders.

that may have worked for you, or your perception.. however science does not support that..

but good for you.

[workoutfreak078]

that may have worked for you, or your perception.. however science does not support that..

but good for you.

I said I was one of those people who had success from it. I never stated scientific facts or anything. I have read some articles stating that it can be catabolic doing this, and some stating that it won't burn off muscle if you do not exceed 20 minutes post-workout.

I even did this during PCT, and months after my cycle, without losing strength or muscle. It can work for some people, so it can't be a scientific fact that it doesn't work.

[big_k]

that may have worked for you, or your perception.. however science does not support that..

but good for you.

theoretical science based on physiology and blood tests, there is also physical science that could potentially disprove the real "science" behind it. By that I mean like workoutfreak is stating, Yes he is increasing his cortisol level and theoretically setting himself up for catabolism, but in real world application he is not (he's not the only one) so there is some validity to it. Perhaps it is the true impact of cortisol, or other physiological implications... Albeit we don't have an actual study of this actual mode of exercise, and its stimulus and result relationship.

[ArmedHammerd]

I believe the research is considered broscience.

There are many successful bodybuilders AND countless individuals who got ripped by cardio after weights. I am not going to go into the science because I don't feel like citing articles, but I believe it has been stated that PWO cardio is primetime for fat burning.


Furthermore if you had to follow a 6 hour in between protocol, for guys doing 2 a days with cardio, that would mean going to the gym 3 times a day.


And lastly, as everyone stated I will just reiterate PWO Shake AFTER cardio & weights.

I agree with this 100% thats the way i do it

[LeroyB]

not trying to be an asshole...but id like to see the research that says this...if you have it.

Been a while but i will source it up for you. Watch this space..

Edit Below---
Might I add - This was information I got from all natural people when I was also all natural. So a lot of the stuff I researched could go out the window with the addition of AAS.
I am a total AAS noob. The just of what I learned that if I got to the gym and crush my workout = to failure and beyond, then start into cardio I am simply going to burn muscle as well as fat at a rate that wasn't worth while.
On top of that my pre-workout meal and PWO shake/ meals were different for lifting vs cardio because its really two different things.
Cardio = catabolic = Eating to encourage cutting, Lifting = anabolic = eating to encourage bulking or maintenance.
AKA
catabolic on the fat is good, on the muscles, bad
anabolic on the muscles good, on the fat, bad

My workout was (when I was doing this research):
M-F Cardio 6:45 AM , Lift 5:30 PM
S & S - OFF
In summary - I think some of that depends on the type of cardio you do as well, as Hiit depletes muscle glycogen more than moderate intensity cardio. My cardio was 50 - 60 minutes @ 65% heart rate and that was going to make me to catabolic.

Wow this post is a mess, hope you can follow me. I will keep digging for the detailed information.

[dec11]

Been a while but i will source it up for you.
Watch this space..

its complete rubbish

[LeroyB]

its complete rubbish

Following a workout, muscle glycogen stores are depleted, and many muscle
proteins are also broken down, leaving us in a deficit state in respect to both of these crucial nutrients.
As more and more glycogen and glucose is burned up for energy, blood glucose
levels begin to drop-off, which in turn cause insulin levels to drop drastically.
That is a very vital step to grasp because of the properties insulin has in relation to protein synthesis and anabolic hormone production.
These drops give rise to the catabolic hormone Cortisol.

Source (PDF)
So I assume we can all agree here that this is the state your body should be in after a devastating workout. If this is TRUE (Please say if yous ay its not) and you decide to go jump on the tread mill you are going to jack up your Cortisol, and your body is going to digest muscle tissue and carry on doing damage until you get some food. Correct?

[big_k]

Source (PDF)
So I assume we can all agree here that this is the state your body should be in after a devastating workout. If this is TRUE (Please say if yous ay its not) and you decide to go jump on the tread mill you are going to jack up your Cortisol, and your body is going to digest muscle tissue and carry on doing damage until you get some food. Correct?

This is true, but what real results tell us, is that the increase in Cortisol is not detrimental and in general "Muscle digestion/catabolism" is grossly over-exaggerated when it comes to cardio.


This is a bad study to support my arguement but I gotta run, basically it states that Cortisol levels are increased during High Intensity Prolonged Exercise (Sprinting) But lower intensity does not have as big of an impact on cortisol level.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...65518009101862

[FireGuy]

This is true, but what real results tell us, is that the increase in Cortisol is not detrimental and in general "Muscle digestion/catabolism" is grossly over-exaggerated when it comes to cardio.


This is a bad study to support my arguement but I gotta run, basically it states that Cortisol levels are increased during High Intensity Prolonged Exercise (Sprinting) But lower intensity does not have as big of an impact on cortisol level.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...65518009101862

Word!

[CaliPhotog]

Word!

FireGuy, are you not a fan of Sprints or do they just not appeal to you? I'm no where near your level of knowledge or real world experience, but I did get FANTASTIC results from sprints. When I say results I am saying that I was able to drastically lower my bf in a short period of time while still maintaining strength. Not sure if I may have sacrificed a bit of size, but I got shredded up pretty good.

[dec11]

Source (PDF)
So I assume we can all agree here that this is the state your body should be in after a devastating workout. If this is TRUE (Please say if yous ay its not) and you decide to go jump on the tread mill you are going to jack up your Cortisol, and your body is going to digest muscle tissue and carry on doing damage until you get some food. Correct?

still complete bollocks and always will be despite wat crap you find on the internet and post it as "science". no offense intended