Deadly shooting at US Army base

[BgMc31]

Funny how I haven't even posted on this thread and it's turned into a black man thing. Hmmmmm, interesting....

Nice dig Bull Nuts, calling me little Mac, considering mentally and physically I'm bigger than you. Don't turn this into insults. I can totally decimate your non-sensical post above, but it will be a waste of time. People like you are beyond repair. You'll never see other points of view besides your narrow one. Saying some slaves were treated well, well tanks a lot massa, I's be real good fo you...absurd. I guess since they were treated well it was ok then, right? And comparing slavery to the military, we do have an ALL VOLUNTEER service.

Titanium, why even go there when this has been posted for days now and I've said nothing about race. You say, no offense, but offense is definitely taken. I thought you and I have had extensive convos about this.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

LOL BgMc... ev1 always has to hate on the brotha
but I like ya, you're a cool cat.

[TITANIUM]

Bro, just take some deep breaths into and out of a paper bag.

People that think that there can not be a revolution in this country are not in touch with reality.

It can happen.

Maybe, it needs to happen.

Wouldn't be the first time.

Refreshing the tree of liberty from time to time is needed.

Governments that try to "overly control" a people eventually loose there control of them, and are overthrown.

History dictates this to be a fact.

Best

T

[TITANIUM]

Funny how I haven't even posted on this thread and it's turned into a black man thing. Hmmmmm, interesting....

Nice dig Bull Nuts, calling me little Mac, considering mentally and physically I'm bigger than you. Don't turn this into insults. I can totally decimate your non-sensical post above, but it will be a waste of time. People like you are beyond repair. You'll never see other points of view besides your narrow one. Saying some slaves were treated well, well tanks a lot massa, I's be real good fo you...absurd. I guess since they were treated well it was ok then, right? And comparing slavery to the military, we do have an ALL VOLUNTEER service.

Titanium, why even go there when this has been posted for days now and I've said nothing about race. You say, no offense, but offense is definitely taken. I thought you and I have had extensive convos about this.

I was just saying that it would turn into such.

I did not know it would go off onto such a tangent.

The reason why is that is because he,( Obama), is black, it turns into a racially biased thing.

If he was white, I'd be trashing him myself.(like Busch).

It was kinda supposed to be a running joke.

If I had known this, I would not have posted this in such a manner.

Yourself and Bullnuts have both educated backgrounds and bring interesting subjects to the table.

I openly apologize here in the open forum if this has offended you.

Best

T

[Flagg]

Ugh, did I see someone mention the word "socialism" or in this case "Obama = socialism"?

You know, most people here claim to know what is going on, that they're not blind, they see what the government is doing and that they have their shed full of rifles and shotguns ready to fire at the tank baring down on them.

But every time someone says the word Muslim, Socialism, Communism, Terrorism and you do the knee jerk reaction of shitting your pants, you play more and more into the so called hands you're against, that don't worry the government will protect you from words like Muslim and Socialite and so on. ****ing sheep. Carry on letting the media wipe your ass and scaring you.

I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but how do you propose a revolution would even work in America today? If the military wants to bomb you from altitude, wtf is your shotgun going to do? No im not saying i'd roll over and admit defeat but things are totally different now than during the American Civil War.

[TITANIUM]

Ugh, did I see someone mention the word "socialism" or in this case "Obama = socialism"?

You know, most people here claim to know what is going on, that they're not blind, they see what the government is doing and that they have their shed full of rifles and shotguns ready to fire at the tank baring down on them.

But every time someone says the word Muslim, Socialism, Communism, Terrorism and you do the knee jerk reaction of shitting your pants, you play more and more into the so called hands you're against, that don't worry the government will protect you from words like Muslim and Socialite and so on. ****ing sheep. Carry on letting the media wipe your ass and scaring you.

I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but how do you propose a revolution would even work in America today? If the military wants to bomb you from altitude, wtf is your shotgun going to do? No im not saying i'd roll over and admit defeat but things are totally different now than during the American Civil War.

It wouldn't be fought by regular means, but probably just massive non-compliance with what is imposed upon us.

This country is divided on all this BS that this government has been jamming down our throats.

The US will never drop bombs on US soil.

Martial law may be imposed at some point, with some blood shed, but nothing full blown.

I respect you Flagg, but I think there is something everyone here can agree on:

It's all going to shit, and it has been for sometime now.

The only thing we might not see eye to eye on is how it will happen.

Pick your poison on that one.

I feel safer knowing there is a 12 guage on the wall and a 45 on the dresser.

Just my piece of mind I guess.

Best

T

[Flagg]

It wouldn't be fought by regular means, but probably just massive non-compliance with what is imposed upon us.

This country is divided on all this BS that this government has been jamming down our throats.

The US will never drop bombs on US soil.

Martial law may be imposed at some point, with some blood shed, but nothing full blown.

I respect you Flagg, but I think there is something everyone here can agree on:

It's all going to shit, and it has been for sometime now.

The only thing we might not see eye to eye on is how it will happen.

Pick your poison on that one.

I feel safer knowing there is a 12 guage on the wall and a 45 on the dresser.

Just my piece of mind I guess.

Best

T

Yeah I know, better to have a gun and not need it then not have a gun and need one. It would have to take an enormous amount of "oomph" from the masses to force change, which I don't doubt some people would be down with. I think a lot of the masses are so molly-coddled now that they'd never dare change the status quo. It's astonishing how lazy and scared the Media and Governmnet has made the general masses and how dependable we've become on them.

[Flagg]

Some of you may have heard him, im a huge admirer of the man but Christopher Hitchens has unearthed 7 facts about the good Major that surely should have warranted earlier investigation. He also highlights how inept the FBI have been in all of this and how, justifiably, before anyone starts trying to defend his actions to consider this, that once upon a time black people were segregated, jewish recruits were hazed and women and gay men were simply never taken seriously and mocked.

Yes, racism DOES occur in the Military, boo effing hoo. But did any of these groups respond by blasting the shit out of everyone? I think not. Full article (it's quite long, but a interesting article) and Seven Points about this guy that should have been looked into sooner below:

The admonition not to rush to judgment or jump to conclusions might sound fair and prudent enough, perhaps even statesmanlike when uttered by the president, as long it's borne in mind that such advice is itself a judgment that is more than halfway to a conclusion. What it plainly implies in the present case is that the actions of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan should not be assumed in any meaningful way to be related to his Muslim faith.

Perfect subjective knowledge of the major's possibly disordered mind is not available to me, but nor is it available to the host of damage-control commentators and FBI drones who have had things mostly their own way so far. In order to demonstrate the absence of a connection, however, the following facts would have to be regarded as relatively random or secondary:

1) Hasan had been in direct correspondence with a notorious preacher of violence, Anwar al-Awlaki, whose enthusiasm for the teachings and actions of al-Qaida has long been well-known to researchers and intelligence agencies.

2) He bought weapons for himself well in advance of a murderous assault on unarmed soldiers awaiting treatment at a clinic—people to whom, in addition to his responsibilities as a human being, he also owed, as a physician, a sworn duty of care.

3) As he unleashed his volleys, he yelled the universal cry of jihad, "Allahu akbar!" or "God is great!" (The eyewitnesses on this point, originally doubted, are especially convincing since some of them didn't understand the meaning of the words and only sought to reproduce them phonetically.) On his business card, he described himself described as "SOA" or "slave," or possibly, "soldier of Allah." Neither would be especially reassuring in this context.

4) He had attracted considerable attention by repeatedly using his postgraduate classes at the Uniformed Service University in Bethesda, Md., for the purpose of Islamic proselytizing, for a version of Islam that, to say the least, did not overemphasize it as a "religion of peace."

5) He had, in spoken and written communications, demonstrated a fascination with the love of death and the concept of suicide martyrdom (better described as suicide murder) that is the central concept of Bin Ladenism.

6) Though he may have been upset by the harrowing stories of returned soldiers—as many, many of us have been, incidentally—his overwhelming and reiterated objection to the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, and al-Qaida in Iraq, is that it is "a war on Islam." It might be worth noting that this means that the Taliban does represent Islam, whereas the current governments of Iraq and Afghanistan somehow do not—a core belief of the Islamic purists who use the dogma of takfir to excommunicate such Muslims and render them liable, along with many other kind of infidel, to holy slaughter.

7) He seems to have been especially obsessed with the Quranic injunction that forbids devout Muslims to make allies with Christians and Jews.

The above list is not exhaustive, but I would submit that five of the seven items (the first and the last four) would have been grounds to have had him either put under close surveillance or dismissed from the service. Proselytizing in uniform, for example, is already banned by a general order. To be "inclusive," the United States armed forces must exclude or discipline those who oppose inclusion. This, of course, goes for zealots of all faiths, and it won't do to point out that it isn't always universally applied. The Hasan atrocity makes such an application more urgent, not less.

What about the emphasis on Hasan's supposedly knife-edge mental state? Well, even supposing it to have been precarious, it can hardly have been improved by immersion in the rantings of Anwar al-Awlaki. I do not say that all practitioners of woman-hating, anti-Semitic, sadomasochistic suicide immolations are themselves insane, but I do say that the teaching itself is demented. In the same way, I do not say that all Muslims are terrorists, but I have noticed that an alarmingly high proportion of terrorists are Muslim. A paranoid or depressive person—of whom we have many millions in our midst—does not have to end up screaming religious slogans while butchering his fellow creatures. But a paranoid or depressive person who is in regular touch with a jihadist "spiritual leader" is presented with a ready-made script that offers him paradise in exchange for homicide.

All right, then, wasn't the gallant major also subject to ill treatment and even abuse? Only up to a point, when you consider that his parents had been given refuge from Palestine and enabled to build a life here, that he himself had knowingly joined an all-volunteer army, that he had been promoted (it seems rather faster and higher than his true abilities warranted) and allowed on the job to vent extremely noxious opinions about members of other faiths, to say nothing about his adopted country. No doubt he came in for a taunt or two, but if you want to avoid that, then don't express contempt for your fellow soldiers while in uniform. Black Americans used to be segregated. Jewish recruits were mercilessly hazed, as were men or women who looked as if they might be gay. Did any of them ever come up with an act of mass murder as a response? Did any of them ever offer a black or Jewish or gay ideology in justification of it? Would they have earned sympathy and understanding if they had? By the time the mushy "pre-post-traumatic" school was done with the story, Maj. Hasan was not just acquitted of being a bad Muslim. He was more or less exonerated of having even done a bad deed.

This is not at all a matter of the usual stupid refusal of the FBI and other security services to understand an early warning even when they have detected one. It is a direct challenge to the unity and integrity of the armed services, which have been one of our society's principal organs and engines of ethnic and religious integration. A U.S. soldier who wonders about the reliability of his, let alone her, Muslim colleague is not being "Islamophobic." (A phobia is an irrational or uncontrollable fear.) If Maj. Hasan has made this understandable worry in the ranks more widespread, he has done his fanatical preacher friend the greatest possible service. But that's his fault for doing what he did, and his superiors' fault for letting him openly rehearse it for so long, not mine for pointing it out.

I wrote some years ago that the three most salient characteristics of the Muslim death-squad type were self-righteousness, self-pity, and self-hatred. Surrounded as he was by fellow shrinks who were often very distressed by his menacing manner, Maj. Hasan managed to personify all three traits—with the theocratic rhetoric openly thrown in for good measure—and yet be treated even now as if the real word for him was troubled. Prepare to keep on meeting those three symptoms again, along with official attempts to oppose them only with therapy, if that. At least the holy warriors know they are committing suicide.

[Bull_Nuts]

Funny how I haven't even posted on this thread and it's turned into a black man thing. Hmmmmm, interesting....

Nice dig Bull Nuts, calling me little Mac, considering mentally and physically I'm bigger than you. Don't turn this into insults. I can totally decimate your non-sensical post above, but it will be a waste of time. People like you are beyond repair. You'll never see other points of view besides your narrow one. Saying some slaves were treated well, well tanks a lot massa, I's be real good fo you...absurd. I guess since they were treated well it was ok then, right? And comparing slavery to the military, we do have an ALL VOLUNTEER service.

Titanium, why even go there when this has been posted for days now and I've said nothing about race. You say, no offense, but offense is definitely taken. I thought you and I have had extensive convos about this.

1-"IRONY" look it up...

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Nice dig Bull Nuts, calling me little Mac, considering mentally and physically I'm bigger than you. Don't turn this into insults. I can totally decimate your non-sensical post above, but it will be a waste of time.

How would you know you are mentally and physically bigger than me....that in itself is "non-sensical" besides...I doub't you are...that's neither here nor there.

3-when i listed the differences between slavery and military im pretty sure i said something about military being voluntary

Big Mac with mayo, lettuce, cheese, pickles, hold the cheese, common sense and lack of humor...

You really make my day....the best part of waking up is bgmc replying to my post...


Luv u man....nuts~!

[old-grunt11series]

you don't have to be Muslim to be a threat. anyone remember an ex US Army sergeant named Timothy Mc Veigh?