Best Gear For an Athlete

[alpmaster]

Of course not, since it something that should not be done without any medical reason.
Right because of that, it is totally unacceptable for a male organism who DID NOT DEVELOPED YET, to use any aas.

So, if "there is no magic age number for juicing", surely there is the common sense not to use any aas before a certain age.
25 Years old age is just an estimate average, on applied statistics; not everyone is fully developed at 25 while some already developed at 22.
Biological age should be taken into account but it is very expensive to undergo those exams and yet our level of knowledge is limited to some organs and parts of the body only.

Bull. Shit.

First of all, let's assume he's "not fully developed" (whatever that means), still, why would he not use in an athletic environment where it is optimal and somewhat necessary to use? Oh, let me guess, because for some reason he can recover his HPTA at 25, but not at 22.

You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.

[BJJ]

Bull. Shit.

First of all, let's assume he's "not fully developed" (whatever that means), still, why would he not use in an athletic environment where it is optimal and somewhat necessary to use? Oh, let me guess, because for some reason he can recover his HPTA at 25, but not at 22.

You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.

^^^
Then, try to figure out what that means, then we can have a conversation.
I do not speak rhetorically neither I copy and paste. It is clear you do not know me at all.

[scamp]

ive read that alot of pro athletes use equipoise

[gunslinger2]

Ok. So there is no magic age to start taking steroids. Lets all start recommending high school kids start taking them. Hey they might go pro one day and they will already have a head start. Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is? Would you advise a high school kid to take AAS? Why not? There is no magic age remember? So by your logic if you can get your hands on it, take it.


I don't know how old you are, but I'm gonna guess you are pretty young and you are trying to make a case for taking AAS at a young age. (I know, you are going to come back saying you are a 40 year old personal trainer, blah, blah, blah)


Its people like you giving advice to these kids that makes us all look bad.

[workoutfreak078]

Ok. So there is no magic age to start taking steroids. Lets all start recommending high school kids start taking them. Hey they might go pro one day and they will already have a head start. Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is? Would you advise a high school kid to take AAS? Why not? There is no magic age remember? So by your logic if you can get your hands on it, take it.


I don't know how old you are, but I'm gonna guess you are pretty young and you are trying to make a case for taking AAS at a young age. (I know, you are going to come back saying you are a 40 year old personal trainer, blah, blah, blah)


Its people like you giving advice to these kids that makes us all look bad.

Listen, I agree with alpmaster here. You don't seem to understand for some odd reason. He is not recommending high school kids to start taking steroids. He is trying to tell you that there are certain circumstances where age does not matter as much. Sure, if the OP was 16 years old, this would make all of the difference in the world, but he's not. He is pretty much a fully grown man, with stats that most likely blow yours out of the water.

alpmaster is also not saying that if high school kids start taking gear, they will become better at sports. Stop exaggerating everything. It has already been said numerous times, by the OP and everyone else, that the OP is already very good at this sport, and is pretty much going to go pro so he needs an extra edge (the same edge everyone else he is competing with most likely has). The OP has cycled before, and apparently he is very knowledgeable in the field of nutrition and working out.

It is not like he is telling some 14 year old kid on a division 8 football team to start juicing. The OP needs help, and alpmaster is giving him the help he needs, while you, on the other hand, are giving him information that is the complete opposite of what he wants to know.

[BJJ]

Listen, I agree with alpmaster here. You don't seem to understand for some odd reason. He is not recommending high school kids to start taking steroids. He is trying to tell you that there are certain circumstances where age does not matter as much. Sure, if the OP was 16 years old, this would make all of the difference in the world, but he's not. He is pretty much a fully grown man, with stats that most likely blow yours out of the water.

alpmaster is also not saying that if high school kids start taking gear, they will become better at sports. Stop exaggerating everything. It has already been said numerous times, by the OP and everyone else, that the OP is already very good at this sport, and is pretty much going to go pro so he needs an extra edge (the same edge everyone else he is competing with most likely has). The OP has cycled before, and apparently he is very knowledgeable in the field of nutrition and working out.

It is not like he is telling some 14 year old kid on a division 8 football team to start juicing. The OP needs help, and alpmaster is giving him the help he needs, while you, on the other hand, are giving him information that is the complete opposite of what he wants to know.

That sentence says it all!

[alpmaster]

Ok. So there is no magic age to start taking steroids. Lets all start recommending high school kids start taking them. Hey they might go pro one day and they will already have a head start. Do you see how stupid this line of thinking is? Would you advise a high school kid to take AAS? Why not? There is no magic age remember? So by your logic if you can get your hands on it, take it.


I don't know how old you are, but I'm gonna guess you are pretty young and you are trying to make a case for taking AAS at a young age. (I know, you are going to come back saying you are a 40 year old personal trainer, blah, blah, blah)


Its people like you giving advice to these kids that makes us all look bad.

I don't need to disclose my age, and neither do you. However, I'm sure people reading mine and your posts can deduce who is more knowledgeable on this subject. While I supply logic and reasoning to using these drugs, you rely on cookie-cutter advice, and then blow everything out of proportion and exaggerate what I "claim" as an attack on my intellect.

Nice try champ.

[gunslinger2]

Listen, I agree with alpmaster here. You don't seem to understand for some odd reason. He is not recommending high school kids to start taking steroids. He is trying to tell you that there are certain circumstances where age does not matter as much. Sure, if the OP was 16 years old, this would make all of the difference in the world, but he's not. He is pretty much a fully grown man, with stats that most likely blow yours out of the water.

Comparing the OPs stats to mine has nothing to do with who is right here. But if you want to know, I'm 33 years old, 5'9'' 201 with about 10% BF. I have nothing to hide. I have been busting my ass in the gym for over 17 years. You seem to base someones creditability on stats more than years experience.

I don't need to disclose my age, and neither do you. However, I'm sure people reading mine and your posts can deduce who is more knowledgeable on this subject. While I supply logic and reasoning to using these drugs, you rely on cookie-cutter advice, and then blow everything out of proportion and exaggerate what I "claim" as an attack on my intellect.

Nice try champ.

I don't mind people knowing how old I am. At least they know I'm not some punk kid giving other kids dangerous advice. You say you supply logic and reasoning to using these drugs while at the same time trying to make a case for their not being an age limit on taking AAS. I did exaggerate to get the point across that there needs to be some common sense involved here.

I for one am sick of seeing people posting about being 18-22 years old and turning to AAS because they are too lazy to to work and they want a magic pill. What ever happened to training, and diet? Is this what the forum has come to? Kids giving other kids advice on taking drugs?

Give me a f**king break.

[BJJ]

Comparing the OPs stats to mine has nothing to do with who is right here. But if you want to know, I'm 33 years old, 5'9'' 201 with about 10% BF. I have nothing to hide. I have been busting my ass in the gym for over 17 years. You seem to base someones creditability on stats more than years experience.





I don't mind people knowing how old I am. At least they know I'm not some punk kid giving other kids dangerous advice. You say you supply logic and reasoning to using these drugs while at the same time trying to make a case for their not being an age limit on taking AAS. I did exaggerate to get the point across that there needs to be some common sense involved here.

I for one am sick of seeing people posting about being 18-22 years old and turning to AAS because they are too lazy to to work and they want a magic pill. What ever happened to training, and diet? Is this what the forum has come to? Kids giving other kids advice on taking drugs?

Give me a f**king break.

That sentence says it all in the right direction, IMO.

[workoutfreak078]

Comparing the OPs stats to mine has nothing to do with who is right here. But if you want to know, I'm 33 years old, 5'9'' 201 with about 10% BF. I have nothing to hide. I have been busting my ass in the gym for over 17 years. You seem to base someones creditability on stats more than years experience.

Stats do have something to do with this. That is why every thread gets spammed with people asking for the OP's stats. Believe me, I am not taking anything away from you. I understand you bust your ass in the gym everyday. The OP's stats are better than mine as well. I'm around where you are, except a little taller and younger.

I for one am sick of seeing people posting about being 18-22 years old and turning to AAS because they are too lazy to to work and they want a magic pill. What ever happened to training, and diet? Is this what the forum has come to? Kids giving other kids advice on taking drugs?

I do agree with this, I also tell people to wait a few more years if they are too young. The point is, the OP is going to cycle regardless if we tell him to or not, so you might as well help him out rather trying to shy him away from it. He needs an extra edge to get him into the pro's. If he wants to take drugs to help him, so be it. He has already made up his mind. It is his life, his body. The best thing we can do from this point is to show him how to do it properly and effectively. He is pretty much already fully grown, and waiting 3 more years really is not going to make that much of a difference on his HPTA.

[BJJ]

Stats do have something to do with this. That is why every thread gets spammed with people asking for the OP's stats. Believe me, I am not taking anything away from you. I understand you bust your ass in the gym everyday. The OP's stats are better than mine as well. I'm around where you are, except a little taller and younger.






I do agree with this, I also tell people to wait a few more years if they are too young. The point is, the OP is going to cycle regardless if we tell him to or not, so you might as well help him out rather trying to shy him away from it. He needs an extra edge to get him into the pro's. If he wants to take drugs to help him, so be it. He has already made up his mind. It is his life, his body. The best thing we can do from this point is to show him how to do it properly and effectively. He is pretty much already fully grown, and waiting 3 more years really is not going to make that much of a difference on his HPTA.

How do you know?... for sure?

[Narkissos]

I for one am sick of seeing people posting about being 18-22 years old and turning to AAS because they are too lazy to to work and they want a magic pill. What ever happened to training, and diet?

Anyone with a modicum of common sense can see that the OP isn't a lazy-assed kid.

I really grow tired of blanket statements.

[gunslinger2]

Anyone with a modicum of common sense can see that the OP isn't a lazy-assed kid.

I really grow tired of blanket statements.

Who knows who this guy really is? Do you know him personally? Say you are a 18 year old fat kid and everyone sends your ass packing over to the diet section and you get flamed. Be the same person and say you are a little older and might be a pro at something one day and you get all of the steroid advice you want.

22 years old and can't eat enough to gain 5 pounds? My vote is lazy-assed kid. Did anyone else notice that he did not post pics? He says he has 7% BF, I can count on one hand the number of football player I have actually met that had less than 10% BF. Am I the only one that noticed he glazed over his diet? And worse, no one asked.

I really grow tired of blanket statements.

And I really grow tired of people giving kids advice on taking drugs they don't need to be taking yet.

[Rastapopolous]

OP: Be a man and dont take juice... You're a team sports athlete. Gear is cheating! Don't you have an ethical bone in your body... It seems to me that you don't even consider this aspect.

[Narkissos]

Who knows who this guy really is? Do you know him personally? Say you are a 18 year old fat kid and everyone sends your ass packing over to the diet section and you get flamed. Be the same person and say you are a little older and might be a pro at something one day and you get all of the steroid advice you want.

The same could be said about you.

No one knew you from Adam. Your second thread on the forum was a cycle journal. No one saw your diet OR pics. Still you posted an age, goals, and got advice... didn't you?

Did anyone else notice that he did not post pics?

You posted your first pics 1 month into your cycle. Fully-clothed I might add... showing nothing. No before pics.

You guys are hypocrites.

Plain and simple.

[nilrac]

Bull. Shit.

First of all, let's assume he's "not fully developed" (whatever that means), still, why would he not use in an athletic environment where it is optimal and somewhat necessary to use? Oh, let me guess, because for some reason he can recover his HPTA at 25, but not at 22.

You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.

I'd have to agree. Previously I listened to more "experienced" forum members regarding age. I've been involved in threads like this before. However, from meeting people in the real world, I think everybody is different and if you want to take your chances, take them. I have a very good friend who is an ex-competitive strongman, he started test at 22 years old. Due to his sport he took alot of gear obviously!

Now he is off, retired, married with a beautiful son. His HPTA, by his own admission, is fine. Just one example...

I think in this particular case, the OP is in the right place. He has already juiced, he already has excellent stats. He plans to go pro... 10Lbs of lean muscle naturally is a very difficult proposition. 10Lbs on gear would suit his professional goals much better imho. And as long as he is sensible with compounds, mgs, time on and off then there is a good chance his HPTA will be fine further down the road. But it's a risk only he can choose to make.

Just my .02

[chuckt12345]

You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.[/QUOTE]

sadly i agee with this paragraph as well.
we can advise what is best for the average person to do and hope they take that advise but we shouldnt tell them there fukn idiots because weve read about it on a steroids board. Guess what AAS is prescribed to teenagers as well.

[BJJ]

You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.

sadly i agee with this paragraph as well.
we can advise what is best for the average person to do and hope they take that advise but we shouldnt tell them there fukn idiots because weve read about it on a steroids board. Guess what AAS is prescribed to teenagers as well

There is a reason for that, surely not to get pro.

[Narkissos]

This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.

Agreed 100%