Can you be addicted to steroids?

[1bigun11]

Wait till we are all older!
Then, you might say "no problem".

I'm 48 years old bro. Started using 25 years ago. How much longer do you want me to wait??????????????????????

[chuckt12345]

I'm 48 years old bro. Started using 25 years ago. How much longer do you want me to wait??????????????????????

umm i give it to about 55

[1bigun11]

umm i give it to about 55

Kratos' study said that there were no adverse affects for 70% of chronic users.

But if you really feel they are that dangerous bro, your either a hypocrit for advacating their use, or law enforcement. I dont know what else you would be doing here given your personal feelings.

[chuckt12345]

Kratos' study said that there were no adverse affects for 70% of chronic users.

But if you really feel they are that dangerous bro, your either a hypocrit for advacating their use, or law enforcement. I dont know what else you would be doing here given your personal feelings.

LOL
its common sense shooting high amounts of hormones in your body for extended periods of time will be harmful in the long run. Hey its just my opinion and sorry you dont like it. Good luck with that massive coronary in a few.

[1bigun11]

LOL
its common sense shooting high amounts of hormones in your body for extended periods of time will be harmful in the long run. Hey its just my opinion and sorry you dont like it. Good luck with that massive coronary in a few.

Yeah, you'd like that wouldn't you. And I hope you dont get shot in the head on your next drug raid bro, because that would be really tragic too.

[Kratos]

Kratos' study said that there were no adverse affects for 70% of chronic users.

But if you really feel they are that dangerous bro, your either a hypocrit for advacating their use, or law enforcement. I dont know what else you would be doing here given your personal feelings.

Nah man, what it says is

About 30% of AAS users appear to develop a dependence syndrome, characterized by chronic AAS use despite adverse effects on physical, psychosocial or occupational functioning.

It other words even though AAS are causing many problems in the users life, they refuse to, can't or won't stop using.

There is no hypocracy in presenting the good the bad, and the ugly, so we can make better informed choices. Otherwise we'd be practicing religion and not science.

[1bigun11]

Nah man, what it says is

About 30% of AAS users appear to develop a dependence syndrome, characterized by chronic AAS use despite adverse effects on physical, psychosocial or occupational functioning.

It other words even though AAS are causing many problems in the users life, they refuse to, can't or won't stop using.

There is no hypocracy in presenting the good the bad, and the ugly, so we can make better informed choices. Otherwise we'd be practicing religion and not science.

If 30% do, then 70% do not. If your not presenting that side of the coin, then you are practicing religion (hell fire scare tactics), and not science.

[Kratos]

If 30% do, then 70% do not. If your not presenting that side of the coin, then you are practicing religion (hell fire scare tactics), and not science.

I'm not presenting weather the glass is half full or half empty. The study doesn't state the 70% who don't have dependence issues don't have other health realted issues or risk factors.

Hell fire scare tactics...what what what
The simple fact is religion isn't science because with religion everything that can't be proven or verified is taken on faith and any contrary information is thrown out the window. Any information that confirms what's in the bible is studied.
Science begs for proof and seeks information.
I'm not trying to start a religious debate here, but you clearly don't understand the metaphor.

[chuckt12345]

If 30% do, then 70% do not. If your not presenting that side of the coin, then you are practicing religion (hell fire scare tactics), and not science.

so 30% is not bad?

Why you say im law enforcement because i thnk steroids long term are bad baffles me.
I do not THINK prolong use of steroids is safe,, period. You dont have to agree with me i could care less.
You have anti steroid users who think AAS is the devil on one side of the fence and Pro steroid who think they are perfect on the other side. I like to find myself in the middle.

And i dont want you to die of a heart attack.

[CRACKER]

Everyone gets butthurt when the truth rolls out

[BJJ]

I'm 48 years old bro. Started using 25 years ago. How much longer do you want me to wait??????????????????????

60, bro.

[Kratos]

60, bro.

who knows he may never have problems
and he may have a laundry list of problems on his 70th birthday

percentage wise he is more likely to have certain problems then a non-steroid user. It doesn't mean he will have those problems and it doesn't mean someone who doesn't use steroids can't have the same problem.

[BJJ]

who knows he may never have problems
and he may have a laundry list of problems on his 70th birthday agree

percentage wise he is more likely to have certain problems then a non-steroid user. fair enough It doesn't mean he will have those problems and it doesn't mean someone who doesn't use steroids can't have the same problem. agree too

I just wanted to mean no one really knows when and in case, that is why one cannot say I use steroids since 25 years and presuppose the next 25 will be the same.

[1bigun11]

60, bro.

Oh you mean like this guy? (Larry Scott) Yeah I can see he's suffering real bad for his past use at age 60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X68Re...eature=related


I am sure that when I hit 60, the choir boys will all chime in, "Well, just wait till your 70 bro." And at age 70, "Well wait till your 85."

I've been hearing these same scare boys sing about how dangerous steroids are and how my death is just around the corner for 30 years.

[Kratos]

Oh you mean like this guy? (Larry Scott) Yeah I can see he's suffering real bad for his past use at age 60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X68Re...eature=related


I am sure that when I hit 60, the choir boys will all chime in, "Well, just wait till your 70 bro." And at age 70, "Well wait till your 85."

I've been hearing these same scare boys sing about how dangerous steroids are and how my death is just around the corner for 30 years.

Yeah, hopefully you end up like that guy...as long as you go into understanding you could also end up like one of these guys.

Sonny Schmidt died at 46
> Scott Klein died at 30
> Ron Teufel died at 45
> Dan Duchaine died at 48
> Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
> Andreas Munzer died at 30
> Mike Mentzer died at 49
> Ray Mentzer died at 47
> Don Ross died at 55
> Dr. John Tristany died
> Don Peters died
> Ray Raridon died
> Arnold Schwarzenegger (heart problems)
> Don Long (kidney failure)
> Tom Prince (kidney failure)
> Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
> Ed Corney (stroke)
> Boyer Coe (heart)
> Danny Padilla (heart)
> Pete Grymkowski (heart)
> Lyle Alzado died at 42
> Curt Hennig died at 44
> Davey Boy Smith died at 39
> Louie "Spicolli" Mucciolo died at 27
> Ravishing Rick Rude died at 40
> Brian Pillman died at 35
> 62 Finnish power-lifters suspected of using steroids died at a rate five times higher than average.

not in any way a complete list
Gary Himing IFBB pro died on stage this year
Anthony D'Arezzo died in his hotel room at 44

[meathead320]

Yeah, hopefully you end up like that guy...as long as you go into understanding you could also end up like one of these guys.

Sonny Schmidt died at 46
> Scott Klein died at 30
> Ron Teufel died at 45
> Dan Duchaine died at 48
> Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
> Andreas Munzer died at 30
> Mike Mentzer died at 49
> Ray Mentzer died at 47
> Don Ross died at 55
> Dr. John Tristany died
> Don Peters died
> Ray Raridon died
> Arnold Schwarzenegger (heart problems)
> Don Long (kidney failure)
> Tom Prince (kidney failure)
> Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
> Ed Corney (stroke)
> Boyer Coe (heart)
> Danny Padilla (heart)
> Pete Grymkowski (heart)
> Lyle Alzado died at 42
> Curt Hennig died at 44
> Davey Boy Smith died at 39
> Louie "Spicolli" Mucciolo died at 27
> Ravishing Rick Rude died at 40
> Brian Pillman died at 35
> 62 Finnish power-lifters suspected of using steroids died at a rate five times higher than average.

not in any way a complete list
Gary Himing IFBB pro died on stage this year
Anthony D'Arezzo died in his hotel room at 44

In Arnold's defense, he had a bicuspid heart valve. That had nothing to do with AAS.

Lyle Alzado died of a type of cancer not seen in other AAS users, and likely would have gotten brain cancer either way.

There are also several Pro-Wrestlers on the list who were cocaine addicts.

Dan Duchaine OD'ed on Nubain from what I remember.

However, there is not doubt that the cholesterol effects, combined with Blood Pressure raising effects of many steroids cannot increase ones risk for cardiovascular disease.

High doses for many years could also lead to an enlarged left ventricle wall of the heart as well.

So, the truth as always lays somewhere in-between.

You got some guys who only use AAS, and cycle in smart ways, or cruise at HRT doses of test only (often with a valid legal TRT script), and also do plenty of cardio, take fish oil, eat a healthy diet, and do not put the body through the stress of competing either.

Then there are guys who are addicted too. Can some still live long lives? Sure. Can it have big negative effects on others? Yes, as well.

Addiction to Steroids is more complex than typical street drugs, for 2 reasons.

1. Addictive effects are secondary. Simply giving an addict less addictive narcotics will not help matters much, as it is not these immediate effects the AAS user wants.

2. Physical addiction is so extreme that is can result in permanent need to stay on a low dose (compared to dose of AAS cycle) of testosterone, as the body can permanently lose its ability to create testosterone on its own sometimes.

Therefor, if someone want to be treated, then treatment cannot be the same for other type of drug addicts.

First off, they need to want to go off, and stay off. You will not find a lot of guys who want this option.

For those guys who have no desire to compete in bodybuilding, or powerlifting, or anything else. Who have other hobbies, and family, and do not really get any social accolades for being huge, these guys who have been on for a few years, they may be wanting to come off and stay off.

The problem is if they seek any form of help, those who normally treat addiction have no idea what they are dealing with.

They attempt the usual, and do not know why things went wrong. Well, half of the withdrawal symptoms they are seeing, are actually the effects of low testosterone. Having low testosterone is not a healthy state to be in.

So the first focus needs to be on restoring the HPTA. They need to be on a good thorough PCT. They will need to be on clomid a while. Then tested two weeks after they come off the clomid, to be re-assured they have normal testosterone again. If its not possible, they will need a script for TRT, as having clinically low testosterone would be like living in a state of withdrawal, the way its medically defined, and the symptoms they see in AAS withdrawal, Permanently. That would not be good.

So first, they need to want help if they cannot quit on their own.

Second, the medical focus needs to be on treating for both the psychological effects of losing what they loved about AAS, as well as restoration of normal HPTA function if possible and replacement of healthy hormones if not possible to restore HPTA function.

[Kratos]

In Arnold's defense, he had a bicuspid heart valve. That had nothing to do with AAS.

Why? Because he says so? or because he sues anybody who says it's cause of steroid use? A bicuspid aortic valve is likely to decrease exercise tollerance...

Lyle Alzado died of a type of cancer not seen in other AAS users, and likely would have gotten brain cancer either way.
He was the one who said it was because of the steroid use. And there isn't a study to confirm or to deny, so wo knows.

There are also several Pro-Wrestlers on the list who were cocaine addicts.
All wrestlers were cocaine addicts...If I listed all the wrestlers who's hearts popped there wouldn't be enough room on the page.

Dan Duchaine OD'ed on Nubain from what I remember.
cause of death was listed as complications related to polycystic kidney disease, who knows for sure if it was expidited by making himself a lab rat


However, there is not doubt that the cholesterol effects, combined with Blood Pressure raising effects of many steroids cannot increase ones risk for cardiovascular disease.

High doses for many years could also lead to an enlarged left ventricle wall of the heart as well.

So, the truth as always lays somewhere in-between.

.

All I'm saying is there are risks and rewards. I use steroids so don't get me wrong. But knowing they could possibly hurt me down the road. If I thought it were a sure thing to fvck me up, I wouldn't use them. Just think twice and be responsible.

[ranging1]

Yeah, hopefully you end up like that guy...as long as you go into understanding you could also end up like one of these guys.

Sonny Schmidt died at 46
> Scott Klein died at 30
> Ron Teufel died at 45
> Dan Duchaine died at 48
> Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
> Andreas Munzer died at 30
> Mike Mentzer died at 49
> Ray Mentzer died at 47
> Don Ross died at 55
> Dr. John Tristany died
> Don Peters died
> Ray Raridon died
> Arnold Schwarzenegger (heart problems)
> Don Long (kidney failure)
> Tom Prince (kidney failure)
> Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
> Ed Corney (stroke)
> Boyer Coe (heart)
> Danny Padilla (heart)
> Pete Grymkowski (heart)
> Lyle Alzado died at 42
> Curt Hennig died at 44
> Davey Boy Smith died at 39
> Louie "Spicolli" Mucciolo died at 27
> Ravishing Rick Rude died at 40
> Brian Pillman died at 35
> 62 Finnish power-lifters suspected of using steroids died at a rate five times higher than average.

not in any way a complete list
Gary Himing IFBB pro died on stage this year
Anthony D'Arezzo died in his hotel room at 44

though some of these guys died of conditions not completely related to steroids, u have to admit the age they all died at does show a correlation between steroid usage

i mean u can say they may have died from other things, however they all have died at reasonably low averaged age, despite steroids not being proven to cause this directly, having them ALL die at a young age does raise suspicion and does make u think steroids did have some effect considering they ALL were users

[BJJ]

Oh you mean like this guy? (Larry Scott) Yeah I can see he's suffering real bad for his past use at age 60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X68Re...eature=related


I am sure that when I hit 60, the choir boys will all chime in, "Well, just wait till your 70 bro." And at age 70, "Well wait till your 85."

I've been hearing these same scare boys sing about how dangerous steroids are and how my death is just around the corner for 30 years.

I wish you that to happen but do not be so conceited man.
You cannot say steroid users are safe, because they are not!
Do not lie to yourself.