If I shed hair on 500mgs of Test will I still shed on 200mgs of Test?

[csmokingman]

Last Cycle:

Test e 500mgs/wk Week 1-12
Equipoise 500mgs/wk Week 1-12

On my last cycle I started experiencing rapid shedding about 4-5 weeks after starting the juice. The hair loss continued for 3 months after my cycle ended. I'm not sure if the shedding was Telogen Effluvium or MPB. All of the hairs had a white shaped bulb at the end of the hair which is a symptom of TE. I believe the majority of the hair has grown back but I can't ever know for sure. My hairline has receded very slightly at the temples. It has been 7 months since my last cycle and I'm ready for another one.

For my next cycle I plan on cutting back on the test e to save my hairline.

Next Cycle:

Test e 200-250mgs/wk 1-12
Oral Turinabol 50mgs/day Week 1-6

I'm not afraid of shedding on the Turinabol but I am wondering if I will have similair problems with the test e, even if I cut the dosage in half?

I know a lot of you are going to say: pull out the buzzers and shave your head or that I shouldn't be doing roids if I'm concerned about my hair, but I'm confident one get jacked and have a decent head of hair. I know no one will know for sure but....

Do you think I will still shed on 200mgs/wk of test e?

I know my results on this low dose of Test will not be optimal but if I can keep some hair I'll take the trade off.

Thanks,
CSM

[fig]

Hard to say. TBol won't be a problem at all. I would suspect if you are prone to MPB and you dose the Test so low that you don't lose hair, you probably won't make gains either. In other words, you shouldn't expect Test to effect you in a positive way (muscle growth) and not in a negative way (hair loss). I could be wrong so someone please chime in if you have another opinion.

I personally feel I'd rather run "normal" doses and also run a 5-AR blocker. Many here will say it will decrease your gains and that is true. You will, however, get better gains at 500mg with a 5-AR when compared to 200mg.

[csmokingman]

I dont expect to gain a ton of muscle on this cycle. I'm running 200mgs of Test as an alternative to not running any test at all. I really dont want to lose any hair and was considering a tbol oral cycle only, but thought I could get a little more out of the cycle by adding a low dose of test. I am taking finasteride. I figure the tbol will shut me down in regards to htpa and I want to gain more than 5lbs of muscle so i figured the test would help give me a boost just dont want to shed again.

[marcus300]

If your prone to MPB there is nothing you can do, end result is a bald head no matter what dose you take, take some finasteride it may slow the process down slightly if your lucky

[2jz_calgary]

you may as well run 500mg a week, i dont think there is any point to running 200mg as that wont really do jack shit. U can gain 5lbs naturally easy enough with diet and training.

[fig]

If your prone to MPB there is nothing you can do, end result is a bald head no matter what dose you take, take some finasteride it may slow the process down slightly if your lucky

Gear or not, you will eventually lose it all.

[csmokingman]

Gear or not, you will eventually lose it all.

I understand this, but Im in my mid 20's and Id rather have my hair for as long as possible. I don't want to speed up the process.

I know that 200mgs of Test a week is a joke to many of you, however it will certainly give me results combined with tbol.

I am not going to run Test at 500mgs/wk I tried that already and I shed hard, I think a lot of it grew back but don't wanna risk it again.


If you think I will still shed at 200mgs/wk on Test I'm going to run the tbol by itself and hope to gain 5lbs or so.

I realize this is a whimpy stack and is not optimal but for my purposes and goals it will suffice.

I just want to know what you think about the shedding on 200mgs/wk compared to 500mgs/wk will it be a marked difference?

[fig]

OK, that's cool. I'm in the same boat...27 and missing a bit already. I was just backing up Marcus in case you were not aware but yes, you should make every attempt to slow it down. Were you on finasteride at 500mg? If so, how long were you taking it prior to the cycle?

[Hard.On]

use gear until you go completly bald and then get a hair trasplant
shave your head for the next 2 years and do gear for the next 2 years to make sure you have no hair left

[fig]

use gear until you go completly bald and then get a hair trasplant
shave your head for the next 2 years and do gear for the next 2 years to make sure you have no hair left

You got $20,000 to burn?

[csmokingman]

I was taking finasteride for about a month before my cycle and was taking around 1 to 2mgs of fina on cycle. I used nizoral 2% eod. I would count like 20-40 hairs in the shower in the morning. All hairs had white clubs/bulbs on the end of them and i noticed thinning at the temples. im hoping it was telogen effluvium vs mpb but i think thats rare.

[fig]

I was taking finasteride for about a month before my cycle and was taking around 1 to 2mgs of fina on cycle. I used nizoral 2% eod. I would count like 20-40 hairs in the shower in the morning. All hairs had white clubs/bulbs on the end of them and i noticed thinning at the temples. im hoping it was telogen effluvium vs mpb but i think thats rare.

It is very possible you would have also shed if you were not cycling. When you first start fin, you shed, then regrow. If this doesn't happen, then it's not doing it's job.

I say try the Test and monitor your hair closely. If it starts falling out, get off the Test, keep the TBol. I highly doubt you will lose anything on 200mg with Fin. I think you could go higher but if you have patience, no issues with taking it slow and testing the waters. FYI, I'm on 500mg Test E and Duta and have had 0 hair loss and I'm in week 8. I did, however, have a MASSIVE shed from month 2 - 5 of taking Duta on its own. Everyone is different, but I think you had a normal shed that was inaccurately attributed to Test.

Are you adverse to Prop? The advantage with Prop is if you need to come off, it will be out of your system fast. Your injections would be small, something like 50mg EOD. I think it's your best bet.

[John88Test]

Bro I am in the same exact position as you to a T. A little scary actually and that is the exact cycle I plan on running in February. I am considering doing up to 350mg of test per week to find that sweet spot. 500mg too much (hair loss wise) and 200mg too little for much muscle growth. I will be taking tbol the same way you outlined. Keep me updated on how things go with you. I do have a history of MPB and when I dropped my test to 200mg last time the shedding stopped ( I am also on finasteride), but so did the gains too. Adding an oral will hopefully be my saving grace. My cycles have been all over the place over the last couple of years. Test as high as 850mg a week. I've only used test and dbol though. I'd use test every damn day if it weren't for my hair. No joke nothing gets you as big and feeling great than a shit load of test. Test is best brotha.

[John88Test]

You got $20,000 to burn?

Yes

[fig]

Yes

Haha. Well, what's the problem then

OP and John88.... as I'm sure you know, everyone is different. There is a member here who hasn't been on in a while, Slide, that experienced what I am. We are both on Avodart (Duta) and have had no hair loss at all. However, DSM I know, is a huge proponent of nothing will stop hair loss on AAS. He was (is?) on Duta as well.

If you do have the money, maybe try a TBol/Anavar/Test cycle. Keep the test low, and gradually increase until you see hair loss, then bump it back a little. This would work best on a fast ester like Prop b/c if your on Enth and you see loss, you not only have a long time to get the incorrect dose out of your system, you also have at least another 2 weeks worth of gradual dose increases to mess with more hair! The TBol and Anavar will give you decent gains in the mean time, so you don't waste the cycle. Just MHO. Let me know how it goes!! I'm curious now.

[John88Test]

Haha. Well, what's the problem then

OP and John88.... as I'm sure you know, everyone is different. There is a member here who hasn't been on in a while, Slide, that experienced what I am. We are both on Avodart (Duta) and have had no hair loss at all. However, DSM I know, is a huge proponent of nothing will stop hair loss on AAS. He was (is?) on Duta as well.

If you do have the money, maybe try a TBol/Anavar/Test cycle. Keep the test low, and gradually increase until you see hair loss, then bump it back a little. This would work best on a fast ester like Prop b/c if your on Enth and you see loss, you not only have a long time to get the incorrect dose out of your system, you also have at least another 2 weeks worth of gradual dose increases to mess with more hair! The TBol and Anavar will give you decent gains in the mean time, so you don't waste the cycle. Just MHO. Let me know how it goes!! I'm curious now.

I think that's a good call. I usually don't like running prop because I hate having to pin so much. But maybe I'll go that route this time. I used to take duta but have heard that it can give you brain fog after a while because it inhibts dht in the brain as well as the prostate and scalp etc. That would not be condusive to my line of work. Need to be sharp. I also did see some shedding on the dutasteride and I believe that was a reaction from the switch over from propecia to duta. Kind of like what is seen when you initially start propecia, an initial shedding process and then slowing of loss after months of use. I figue that if I use the standard doctor reccomended 1mg of propecia while basically using a trt dose of test I should be ok. I chatted with Macro on another board and he convinced me that it wasn't really anymore beneficial to run say 2.5mg of propecia or even 5mg. As many people on this board have said, if your genetically prone to hair loss, it's only a matter of time if ur messing with AAS (especially test). With that said part of me just wants it to go to get IT OVER with but then I realize how much better I look with hair. When it does go tho test will be my best friend in the world.

[John88Test]

By the way fig, what dosages are you on that coupled with the duta you aren't seeing hair loss? Thanks.

[FreakofNature23]

my first cycle i had tons of gains , i was on test e 500mg a week , and dbol without any 5ar blocker . i noticed thinning so my second cycle i went with test prop around 500mg a week and with avodart but didnt have the same effect on me as my first cycle without the 5ar blocker , so it does hinder your gains . this cycle i wanted to go with a t-bol only cycle but im addicted to pinning its the only way to go , maybe i will drop down to 350 a week like john88 said.

[fig]

By the way fig, what dosages are you on that coupled with the duta you aren't seeing hair loss? Thanks.

Yea, brain fog is a problem with some. I figured it's still worth a try, all sides were gone when the users discontinued, so I figured I could just discontinue if I got any unbearable sides.

I'm on the standard 0.5 mg, I was on 2.5 mg for about the first 2 months. The only reason I dropped down was the cost. 2.5 is shown to regrow more than 0.5.

What you heard about Propecia is correct, after ~2mg it makes no difference. Duta is the same way above 5mg (although there is only a VERY small difference between 2.5 and 5.0).

[Gomi]

Yea, brain fog is a problem with some. I figured it's still worth a try, all sides were gone when the users discontinued, so I figured I could just discontinue if I got any unbearable sides.

I'm on the standard 0.5 mg, I was on 2.5 mg for about the first 2 months. The only reason I dropped down was the cost. 2.5 is shown to regrow more than 0.5.

What you heard about Propecia is correct, after ~2mg it makes no difference. Duta is the same way above 5mg (although there is only a VERY small difference between 2.5 and 5.0).

Are you sure its 2mg on propecia(fina) I heard it was 1mg?

[fig]

Are you sure its 2mg on propecia(fina) I heard it was 1mg?

I've heard more say 2mg is the max before diminished returns but yes, some say after 1mg it's all the same. I'll try to find a study. I research Dutasteride much more so I can't say off the top of my head.

[Gomi]

I've heard more say 2mg is the max before diminished returns but yes, some say after 1mg it's all the same. I'll try to find a study. I research Dutasteride much more so I can't say off the top of my head.

Thank you, I would appriciate that very much.

Do you think a kombo of Fina with Duta would be any good? For example, to run 1-2mg fina, and 0.5-2.5mg duta at the same time.

[fig]

Thank you, I would appriciate that very much.

Do you think a kombo of Fina with Duta would be any good? For example, to run 1-2mg fina, and 0.5-2.5mg duta at the same time.

No. There are 2 enzymes that convert Test into DHT. Propecia kills one of those enzymes. Avodart kills both. What was your reasoning?

[Gomi]

No. There are 2 enzymes that convert Test into DHT. Propecia kills one of those enzymes. Avodart kills both. What was your reasoning?

Well, the main reason would be cause I don't want to jump off the fina, since I'm on it all year ED.

[fig]

Well, the main reason would be cause I don't want to jump off the fina, since I'm on it all year ED.

Oh OK. So you want to run the Avodart for the cycle only? I don't see any harm in that. Better than coming off fina and going back on.

[biggerguns]

Finasteride budy.

[Gomi]

Oh OK. So you want to run the Avodart for the cycle only? I don't see any harm in that. Better than coming off fina and going back on.

yeah, exactly. I'm thinking about simply adding a mg of fina, going 2mg on cycle. Or just adding duta togheter with the fina, without jumping off it. However, would the duta even get the time to hit the system and do its magic without the 6 months - 1 year adaption time.

[fig]

yeah, exactly. I'm thinking about simply adding a mg of fina, going 2mg on cycle. Or just adding duta togheter with the fina, without jumping off it. However, would the duta even get the time to hit the system and do its magic without the 6 months - 1 year adaption time.

Duta and fina will start killing those enzymes from day 1. You don't actually SEE the results for 6 months - 1 year. I takes time for your scalp to recover from all the damage DHT had done.

I was thinking about this on my way to work today (a little ridiculous, I know) but you may have a shed at about 2 months. People who switch have reported sheds. You will be 2/3 through your cycle and shed like mad, only to come off it a month later. Might not be worth it, but then again, I don't know how bad your situation is either. Up to you...I know I shed like a mother!!

[csmokingman]

See its hard for me to know if my shed was caused by the propecia or the test since I started taking propecia 4 weeks before my cycle. I experienced serious shedding about a month in to my cycle, where I'd lose around 30-40 hairs every time I shampooed.

I have picked up nizoral, xandrox 5% (minoxidil/alzeic acid) and topical spiro for the next cycle...

Still dont know if I will run a low dose of test around 200-250mgs or an oral turinabol cycle only.

[csmokingman]

if i do use test I will opt for the prop, since i will be able to pull the plug on it quickly if my hair starts falling off, thanks for the advice everyone, especially fig

[fig]

if i do use test I will opt for the prop, since i will be able to pull the plug on it quickly if my hair starts falling off, thanks for the advice everyone, especially fig

Glad I could help. Good luck to you.

[Gomi]

Duta and fina will start killing those enzymes from day 1. You don't actually SEE the results for 6 months - 1 year. I takes time for your scalp to recover from all the damage DHT had done.

I was thinking about this on my way to work today (a little ridiculous, I know) but you may have a shed at about 2 months. People who switch have reported sheds. You will be 2/3 through your cycle and shed like mad, only to come off it a month later. Might not be worth it, but then again, I don't know how bad your situation is either. Up to you...I know I shed like a mother!!

Oh, then it might not be worth the adding of the duta. Would even duta do that much of a difference compared to 2 mg of fina on a 8 weeks cycle of prop? Asuming that you use nizoral either way on cycle, as well.

[csmokingman]

duta can have some serious sides by itself, i'd hate to see what it does while taking fina