Returning gyno when way off cycle

[meathead320]

Why cycle if you cannot even see the muscle? I would get your diet fixed then hit the cardio for a few months first.

I was once 285lbs, I fixed diet and now am a solid 210lbs with much more muscle. Still need to drop BF%

I know several guys who only use AAS when cutting.

Think of it like this, you got some people who have 20%+ bodyfat, and they will lift weights a lot, but as you said they cannot see the muscle.

Say they are 220 pounds at that, and have 176 pounds of lean body weight, minus all the fat. At 10% bodyfat with all that muscle they would weigh 198 pounds.

SO they diet and cardio hardcore, but still natural down to 198, but they are still 15% fat. They have lost 8 pounds of muscle with the 14 pounds of fat they lost, and that is if they are doing eveything smart natural. It is very easy to lose muscle dieting natural, and most certainly do not gain anything.

Now if the guy is even on a small dose of test, say 200mg EW, for a first cycle while cutting, they may not gain a ton of muscle, but being that in most guys that is 2x or more the natural level of testosterone, they may actually not lose any muslce at all, and even gain a bit while cutting.

They will more quickly lose the fat getting down to 10%, and maybe even have more muscle at the end, and at the least not have lost nearly as much muscle while cutting.

[nwic]

I know several guys who only use AAS when cutting.

Think of it like this, you got some people who have 20%+ bodyfat, and they will lift weights a lot, but as you said they cannot see the muscle.

Say they are 220 pounds at that, and have 176 pounds of lean body weight, minus all the fat. At 10% bodyfat with all that muscle they would weigh 198 pounds.

SO they diet and cardio hardcore, but still natural down to 198, but they are still 15% fat. They have lost 8 pounds of muscle with the 14 pounds of fat they lost, and that is if they are doing eveything smart natural. It is very easy to lose muscle dieting natural, and most certainly do not gain anything.

Now if the guy is even on a small dose of test, say 200mg EW, for a first cycle while cutting, they may not gain a ton of muscle, but being that in most guys that is 2x or more the natural level of testosterone, they may actually not lose any muslce at all, and even gain a bit while cutting.

They will more quickly lose the fat getting down to 10%, and maybe even have more muscle at the end, and at the least not have lost nearly as much muscle while cutting.

That is pretty much what my AAS buds said, I hope your all right.
I have like another three weeks before my gear is here and in the meantime
I set a doc appt to see what he can do for me for my low test problem. I have been fighting off depression and high anxiety for the last year and I think it has somthing to do with my low test. The doc put me on anti/anxiety pills and I hated the way I felt so no more of that ever for me.
One doc gave me androgel but I felt no difference, I'm hoping to get some injects and try that for some time and see how it goes.

The weight numbers you gave example of is spot on me, I am 5'11 and age 35
and the last 3 years have been hell for me to lose fat. I like to feel strong but when you are on around a 2000-2300 cals a day in order to lose fat I feel like crap most of the time.

With a good cycle could I up my food intake to say 3000 cals?