Testosterone sustanon instead of Enanthate for beginner cycle

[The Deuce]

LOL, this thread is all jacked up.

Firstly, he's 23...that's too young for beginning AAS! Secondly, use one compound (Test E) for your first cyle-dbol harsh bro. Use your AI (Arimidex) only when symptoms arise (bloat, nipple sensitivity, gyno.).


Lastly, don't dish out advise if you don't know what the hell you're talking about:

YOU are one to talk bro.. FIRST OFF.. Sust is fine to use for a first cycle I am sick and tired of hearing this shit.. TEST IS TEST IS TEST.. It don't matter what fvcking ester it is attached to, and how many esters of test there is..

IN FACT I see nothing wrong with someone running a TEST/DECA/DBOL for their first cycle.. provided they have reached their genetic limit.. but that would be few and far between..

Then we move on to another issue.. the baseline 500mgs per week.. Ummm this is a bunch of BS in my eyes.. Test E has an ester.. so as we all know we are dealing with roughly something like 72mgs/100mgs .. so IF You run 500mgs of Test Enanthate you are only getting really 360mgs of STRAIGHT TEST.. not a whole helluva lot IMO... I think people should get 500mgs straight up for their first cycle.. Which would mean rocking approx 750mgs of Test E per week.. Now this 500 mark is a lot easier to achieve if we use SHORT ESTERS (Less Ester weight) and definitely easiest if you just go straight suspension.. then you KNOW you are getting what you put in.

Now, I am sick and tired of people flaming other people about their proposed cycles !!!


First off,NO ONE has written the book on how much to use steroids...Steroids is an experience....There isnt nothing more about it...We are all men here and whatever u do you accept FULL RESPONSIBILITY for your actions....We dont need GOD pointing fingers about whats too much and how much you should use...How would you know whats to much? Did you read it in some mickey mouse steroid book? Or do you just gauge it yourself and make it up as u go?...It so bogus to flame those that u feel use to much when your playing dart games too...And facts are no matter how much you use or little u do in the eyes of the outsiders we all are the chemical demons ...A villain at that using a controlled substance act that categorized Anabolic Steroid into the same class as drugs like heroin and cocaine....Its sad but ture....Try telling the outsider that U only use a little bit.....lol..yeah right...

Now, Sust is BEST in the beginning shot Every SINGLE Day until you build up the proper amount of Test in your system then You can Modify and switch to EOD if you feel, but I personally stick to shooting it every day. This is of course MY OPINION.. and on these BOARDS it is best to give OPINIONS.. Not FLAME SOMEONE For their cycle or their age.. WHO CARES !!! Really... do YOU .. Do you sit at home wondering how Wayacrucis cycle is going?? NO you don't.. you come on here.. give your advice and leave it at that.. and maybe.. if the person is running a LOG you check in on it.

Another thing i am sick of is the BS about newbies to the AAS world HAVING TO STICK TO TEST E OR C because of the less frequency of injects. Ok so who made this one up?? If you can't stand the thought of a goddamn needle going into your body you bunch of pansies you shouldn't be anywhere near AAS.. They are administered INTRAMUSCULARLY !!!

Or what's another common reason why You so called genius's on AAS Use use to convince people that a TEST ONLY CYCLE in the ester Enan or CYP is the way to go... OH YAH... in case of unwanted sides.. Ummm gee the last time I checked... Those Esters take in upwards of 2 weeks to stop doing their work after the last inject.. Wouldn't someone be more versed to say umm... do a Test prop cycle in case they didn't like the sides they could stop and have it out in 2-3 days as opposed to weeks?? And Prop only needs to be shot ONE more time a week than your basic E or C regimen... Despite the fact I inject Prop daily.. most do an EOD routine with it... that's 3 times a week and 7 in two weeks.. you do 4 injects in two weeks on E or C esters.. so what the hell is 3 more injects really??

WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM ?!!!? WHERE.. Do you just read what everyone else writes and go off that and call yourself EXPERIENCED STEROID USERS ?? Seriously !! I want to know !! Just because you read 100 posts online about something doesn't make it accurate information..

The only thing you should judge your advice on is YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.. if you HAVE NONE.. Do not give advice.. straight up.. Just because you READ IT SOMEWHERE.. doesn't mean you should share.. ok.. no that's in accurate...

If you read something.. QUOTE IT Stating.. "I read somewhere that if....."

Experience counts for everything in this field.

Thats all I have to say on this issue.. and NO Yungone.. NO I am not singling you out over this.. This message goes out to everyone..

This is why I stay out of the Q & A section.. because I can't stand seeing the same repetitive NONSENSE being given to everyone... You can't suggest a Cycle that is designed for everyone.. because EVERYONE is different.. where 500mgs Might give someone sufficient gains .. some won't even feel it...

Case in Point.. I am prescribed an HRT dose of 400mgs per week... so I cruise at 500mgs.. just to hold on to my hard earned muscle tisse!!

Oh and another thing.. One last thing I swear and I will END THIS RANT !!

Steroids aren't a miracle cure for laziness.. You have to first know how to eat before you should even consider an AAS cycle.. but once again.. this is my own opinion.

-END RANT

[dec11]

YOU are one to talk bro.. FIRST OFF.. Sust is fine to use for a first cycle I am sick and tired of hearing this shit.. TEST IS TEST IS TEST.. It don't matter what fvcking ester it is attached to, and how many esters of test there is..

IN FACT I see nothing wrong with someone running a TEST/DECA/DBOL for their first cycle.. provided they have reached their genetic limit.. but that would be few and far between..

Then we move on to another issue.. the baseline 500mgs per week.. Ummm this is a bunch of BS in my eyes.. Test E has an ester.. so as we all know we are dealing with roughly something like 72mgs/100mgs .. so IF You run 500mgs of Test Enanthate you are only getting really 360mgs of STRAIGHT TEST.. not a whole helluva lot IMO... I think people should get 500mgs straight up for their first cycle.. Which would mean rocking approx 750mgs of Test E per week.. Now this 500 mark is a lot easier to achieve if we use SHORT ESTERS (Less Ester weight) and definitely easiest if you just go straight suspension.. then you KNOW you are getting what you put in.

Now, I am sick and tired of people flaming other people about their proposed cycles !!!


First off,NO ONE has written the book on how much to use steroids...Steroids is an experience....There isnt nothing more about it...We are all men here and whatever u do you accept FULL RESPONSIBILITY for your actions....We dont need GOD pointing fingers about whats too much and how much you should use...How would you know whats to much? Did you read it in some mickey mouse steroid book? Or do you just gauge it yourself and make it up as u go?...It so bogus to flame those that u feel use to much when your playing dart games too...And facts are no matter how much you use or little u do in the eyes of the outsiders we all are the chemical demons ...A villain at that using a controlled substance act that categorized Anabolic Steroid into the same class as drugs like heroin and cocaine....Its sad but ture....Try telling the outsider that U only use a little bit.....lol..yeah right...

Now, Sust is BEST in the beginning shot Every SINGLE Day until you build up the proper amount of Test in your system then You can Modify and switch to EOD if you feel, but I personally stick to shooting it every day. This is of course MY OPINION.. and on these BOARDS it is best to give OPINIONS.. Not FLAME SOMEONE For their cycle or their age.. WHO CARES !!! Really... do YOU .. Do you sit at home wondering how Wayacrucis cycle is going?? NO you don't.. you come on here.. give your advice and leave it at that.. and maybe.. if the person is running a LOG you check in on it.

Another thing i am sick of is the BS about newbies to the AAS world HAVING TO STICK TO TEST E OR C because of the less frequency of injects. Ok so who made this one up?? If you can't stand the thought of a goddamn needle going into your body you bunch of pansies you shouldn't be anywhere near AAS.. They are administered INTRAMUSCULARLY !!!

Or what's another common reason why You so called genius's on AAS Use use to convince people that a TEST ONLY CYCLE in the ester Enan or CYP is the way to go... OH YAH... in case of unwanted sides.. Ummm gee the last time I checked... Those Esters take in upwards of 2 weeks to stop doing their work after the last inject.. Wouldn't someone be more versed to say umm... do a Test prop cycle in case they didn't like the sides they could stop and have it out in 2-3 days as opposed to weeks?? And Prop only needs to be shot ONE more time a week than your basic E or C regimen... Despite the fact I inject Prop daily.. most do an EOD routine with it... that's 3 times a week and 7 in two weeks.. you do 4 injects in two weeks on E or C esters.. so what the hell is 3 more injects really??

WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM ?!!!? WHERE.. Do you just read what everyone else writes and go off that and call yourself EXPERIENCED STEROID USERS ?? Seriously !! I want to know !! Just because you read 100 posts online about something doesn't make it accurate information..

The only thing you should judge your advice on is YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.. if you HAVE NONE.. Do not give advice.. straight up.. Just because you READ IT SOMEWHERE.. doesn't mean you should share.. ok.. no that's in accurate...

If you read something.. QUOTE IT Stating.. "I read somewhere that if....."

Experience counts for everything in this field.

Thats all I have to say on this issue.. and NO Yungone.. NO I am not singling you out over this.. This message goes out to everyone..

This is why I stay out of the Q & A section.. because I can't stand seeing the same repetitive NONSENSE being given to everyone... You can't suggest a Cycle that is designed for everyone.. because EVERYONE is different.. where 500mgs Might give someone sufficient gains .. some won't even feel it...

Case in Point.. I am prescribed an HRT dose of 400mgs per week... so I cruise at 500mgs.. just to hold on to my hard earned muscle tisse!!

Oh and another thing.. One last thing I swear and I will END THIS RANT !!

Steroids aren't a miracle cure for laziness.. You have to first know how to eat before you should even consider an AAS cycle.. but once again.. this is my own opinion.

-END RANT

all bow down lol

[Noles12]

YOU are one to talk bro.. FIRST OFF.. Sust is fine to use for a first cycle I am sick and tired of hearing this shit.. TEST IS TEST IS TEST.. It don't matter what fvcking ester it is attached to, and how many esters of test there is..

IN FACT I see nothing wrong with someone running a TEST/DECA/DBOL for their first cycle.. provided they have reached their genetic limit.. but that would be few and far between..

Then we move on to another issue.. the baseline 500mgs per week.. Ummm this is a bunch of BS in my eyes.. Test E has an ester.. so as we all know we are dealing with roughly something like 72mgs/100mgs .. so IF You run 500mgs of Test Enanthate you are only getting really 360mgs of STRAIGHT TEST.. not a whole helluva lot IMO... I think people should get 500mgs straight up for their first cycle.. Which would mean rocking approx 750mgs of Test E per week.. Now this 500 mark is a lot easier to achieve if we use SHORT ESTERS (Less Ester weight) and definitely easiest if you just go straight suspension.. then you KNOW you are getting what you put in.

Now, I am sick and tired of people flaming other people about their proposed cycles !!!


First off,NO ONE has written the book on how much to use steroids...Steroids is an experience....There isnt nothing more about it...We are all men here and whatever u do you accept FULL RESPONSIBILITY for your actions....We dont need GOD pointing fingers about whats too much and how much you should use...How would you know whats to much? Did you read it in some mickey mouse steroid book? Or do you just gauge it yourself and make it up as u go?...It so bogus to flame those that u feel use to much when your playing dart games too...And facts are no matter how much you use or little u do in the eyes of the outsiders we all are the chemical demons ...A villain at that using a controlled substance act that categorized Anabolic Steroid into the same class as drugs like heroin and cocaine....Its sad but ture....Try telling the outsider that U only use a little bit.....lol..yeah right...

Now, Sust is BEST in the beginning shot Every SINGLE Day until you build up the proper amount of Test in your system then You can Modify and switch to EOD if you feel, but I personally stick to shooting it every day. This is of course MY OPINION.. and on these BOARDS it is best to give OPINIONS.. Not FLAME SOMEONE For their cycle or their age.. WHO CARES !!! Really... do YOU .. Do you sit at home wondering how Wayacrucis cycle is going?? NO you don't.. you come on here.. give your advice and leave it at that.. and maybe.. if the person is running a LOG you check in on it.

Another thing i am sick of is the BS about newbies to the AAS world HAVING TO STICK TO TEST E OR C because of the less frequency of injects. Ok so who made this one up?? If you can't stand the thought of a goddamn needle going into your body you bunch of pansies you shouldn't be anywhere near AAS.. They are administered INTRAMUSCULARLY !!!

Or what's another common reason why You so called genius's on AAS Use use to convince people that a TEST ONLY CYCLE in the ester Enan or CYP is the way to go... OH YAH... in case of unwanted sides.. Ummm gee the last time I checked... Those Esters take in upwards of 2 weeks to stop doing their work after the last inject.. Wouldn't someone be more versed to say umm... do a Test prop cycle in case they didn't like the sides they could stop and have it out in 2-3 days as opposed to weeks?? And Prop only needs to be shot ONE more time a week than your basic E or C regimen... Despite the fact I inject Prop daily.. most do an EOD routine with it... that's 3 times a week and 7 in two weeks.. you do 4 injects in two weeks on E or C esters.. so what the hell is 3 more injects really??

WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM ?!!!? WHERE.. Do you just read what everyone else writes and go off that and call yourself EXPERIENCED STEROID USERS ?? Seriously !! I want to know !! Just because you read 100 posts online about something doesn't make it accurate information..

The only thing you should judge your advice on is YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.. if you HAVE NONE.. Do not give advice.. straight up.. Just because you READ IT SOMEWHERE.. doesn't mean you should share.. ok.. no that's in accurate...

If you read something.. QUOTE IT Stating.. "I read somewhere that if....."

Experience counts for everything in this field.

Thats all I have to say on this issue.. and NO Yungone.. NO I am not singling you out over this.. This message goes out to everyone..

This is why I stay out of the Q & A section.. because I can't stand seeing the same repetitive NONSENSE being given to everyone... You can't suggest a Cycle that is designed for everyone.. because EVERYONE is different.. where 500mgs Might give someone sufficient gains .. some won't even feel it...

Case in Point.. I am prescribed an HRT dose of 400mgs per week... so I cruise at 500mgs.. just to hold on to my hard earned muscle tisse!!

Oh and another thing.. One last thing I swear and I will END THIS RANT !!

Steroids aren't a miracle cure for laziness.. You have to first know how to eat before you should even consider an AAS cycle.. but once again.. this is my own opinion.

-END RANT

Wow man take it easy.

Sometimes i think these responses are really overboard.

I do agree that Sust is fine as a first cycle but due to the esters shooting it ED or EOD makes it less desirable due to shot frequency. I know my first cycle, the idea of shooting everyday would probably have steered me away. However on my next cycle it was not a problem shooting EOD.

Also the prop in Sust does not make it equivalent to 500 mgs either because it is so low compared to the larger esters with larger weights.

And finally the worst thing about all of this is the idea that you would recommend Test/Deca/Dbol as a first cycle just based on reaching natural limit. The idea of using one compound is due to the sides and effects of the compound. If you were taking just Test and experienced a side effect you would know it was from just the Test. However if you ran it with Deca and Dbol you have no way of knowing which one cause the side effect because its your first time running any of them. These side effects form the compounds are in no way correlated with genetic limit

[The Deuce]

Wow man take it easy.sorry get riled up easily...

Sometimes i think these responses are really overboard. ehhh maybe, just stating my opinion like everyone else..

I do agree that Sust is fine as a first cycle but due to the esters shooting it ED or EOD makes it less desirable due to shot frequency. I know my first cycle, the idea of shooting everyday would probably have steered me away. However on my next cycle it was not a problem shooting EOD.Maybe Im just a sick freak and like sticking myself...

Also the prop in Sust does not make it equivalent to 500 mgs either because it is so low compared to the larger esters with larger weights.
MY SUST COMES EQUIPPED AT 75mgs in each ML.. plus 75 TestPP plus 90Cyp plus 110 decanoate.. 350mgs/ml.. at 1ml per day.. that's 525 per week.. obviously NOT a beginner cycle.. but that's how I run it...
And finally the worst thing about all of this is the idea that you would recommend Test/Deca/Dbol as a first cycle just based on reaching natural limit. The idea of using one compound is due to the sides and effects of the compound. If you were taking just Test and experienced a side effect you would know it was from just the Test. However if you ran it with Deca and Dbol you have no way of knowing which one cause the side effect because its your first time running any of them. These side effects form the compounds are in no way correlated with genetic limitok.. i'll give on this.. BUT What steroid book did you happen to read this out of.. who cares about sides.. acne? bloat? i mean what freaking sides you talking about.. steroids are NOT THE VITAL ORGAN DESTROYERS everyone would like to believe they are... they are perfectly safe.. aside from a few things.. aka Oral Tren... basically what im saying is.. i know you are just saying this from something you read on a forum board somewhere.. because i mean.. you ever run a test/deca/dbol cycle?? suffered an ill side effects that would force you to stop or that you couldnt combat with say.. adex/caber/or accutane?? Maybe you are worried about blood pressure?? Ok.. well eat correctly!! if you are at your GENETIC LIMIT BRO.. You know what the hell you are doing when it comes to diet & training... AAS only become a tool at this point to bring on more growth... what the hell would be the difference if you experience sides from cycle #1 or cycle # 21.. u would HANDLE them in the exact same way... STEROIDS DO NOT KILL.. stop feeding the newbs that they are this evil demon fvcking substance !! There is no difference whatsoever.. plus.. SIDE EFFECT FROM TEST!?!? Like what?? being too effin horny?? EDUCATE BEFORE YOU MEDICATE.. SO by the time you make that first stick you know what to do if a side does arise... Side effects... psssh...

BOLDS BRO.. AND I DON'T WANNA GET INTO A DEBATE ABOUT THIS.. BUT SERIOUSLY.. Listen to what you are saying.. it's the same goddamn bullshit every single person says on the boards.. OH DON'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.. YOU COULD GET AN UNWANTED SIDE!!! Oh GOD you don't want THAT TO HAPPEN... There are risks involved and we are well.. mostly Men.. but come on.. sides can be dealt with.. you don't need to stop a cycle if you experience a side.. FIX IT !!! Please, give me something knowledgeable that would lead me to believe that you didn't just copy and paste something someone has said a million fvxking times... TAKE CHANCES.. we aren't drinking TEA here.. IF YOU WANT TO GET BIG... You have to GO BIG !! Plain and simple.. PVSSY FOOTING AROUND AINT GONNA GET YOU ANYWHERE.. You think Dorian Yates, Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, Phil Heath, Markus Ruhl.. any of them even considered a simple 500mg Test only cycle?? FVCK NO.. They knew what they wanted and what the fvxk they had to do to get there.. and it wasn't no PANSY ass 500mgs of TEST...


DEBATE THAT !!