Prop is a crap shoot at best. Not that it works or doesn't work. It's whether or not it's "pain free". Cause if it's not, it sucks bad. This stuff can be VERY painful.

Most prop is listed at a 100 mg/ml. It would take about three bottles of the stuff to complete an eight week cycle. Let's say the day after your first injection, you realize that the stuff you have isn't as "pain free" as the guy who sold it to you said it was. Now, you have to make a decision. Do I live with the pain ( it doesn't get any better) and complete the cycle? Or do I start popping nolvadex and try to get rid of the remaining bottles to that annoying guy at the gym? You will not like not being able to sit down, let alone train martial arts if it is not 'pain free'.

There is NO painful enanathate or cyponate. To me, being able to move comfortably is WAY more important than a little water retention.