I think i'm ready to start cycling - got my pics up and every detail - Plz critique

[elpropiotorvic]

I didn't say u have to reach ur "genetic potential" but if the guy doesn't grow from food...


Steroids will probably make him grow but if he ain't eating enough to grow what's going to happen after cycle.... This is the weight he maintains now.... IMO u have to eat 8 meals I mean like I said I'm not ur mom but... U really have to know that the more muscle u carry the more u eat.. And if ur already eating 4500 caps now ur going to eat 5500 after and so on... So I say improve the diet and juice if u want ... I just think it would suck dirty balls to loose everything after just becUse of not eating

[BJJ]

ill give it a try... Although over the past 10 years, i have experimented so much with nutrition...switching up marcos, increasing calories, trying different food combinations....all that did was add weight in the form of fat.

Hypothetically, what exactly is the problem with using steroids now. If it is because i could gain naturally what i would gain from steroids... wouldnt it be the same thing...i mean, end result is reaching my target.... What difference does it make whether i reached it using steroids or naturally?

I see no problems for you to use steroids.
I am not the one against in your case.
Just, I want to point out that you said you gained muscles (and fat) but then to get rid of the fat you lost all of your muscles. See what I mean...
AAS will not solve this base problem for you but make it worse.

You need to diet correctly, then once you realize you have grown (even though only a bit) without any excess of fat and after a while you are still able to hold what gained without losing it, then you can cycle.

Remember, once you gain weight with a proper diet and workout eating a certain amount of calories, in order to keep that weight (and those muscles), you need to eat accordingly (right calories coming from correct macro nutrients). Every pound of LBM you put on, it will cost you more money to hold it.
Easy to say, a bit more complicated to achieve.
In your case the key is there.

[x_SANDMAN_x]

Over time, you will lose the AAS muscle if you don't cycle again. Are you prepared to continue to cycle to maintain your desired physique?

thanks alot for all your inputs guys! I really appreciate it!

What do you mean by "you will lord the AAS muscle if you dont cycle again"? Do you mean to say that if i started cycling now and gained lets say 20 lb of muscle over the years... And then decided to give up steroids, i would loose those 20lb of muscle....and that would be the case even if i maintained a prosper diet and workout regiment?

[BJJ]

thanks alot for all your inputs guys! I really appreciate it!

What do you mean by "you will lord the AAS muscle if you dont cycle again"? Do you mean to say that if i started cycling now and gained lets say 20 lb of muscle over the years... And then decided to give up steroids, i would loose those 20lb of muscle....and that would be the case even if i maintained a prosper diet and workout regiment?

I disagree with that.
If your diet is correct and well-proportioned to the new LBM acquired with the use of aas and your workouts are in check, I see no reason why over time you would lose your muscles.

People forget the importance of the alimentary regimen.

[CHUCKYthentic]

alright enough talk about whether you should or shouldnt, at this point you will ultimately make the decision. if you re ready and everything is in place go for it. there is enough advice here for you to move forward

NOW, lets talk about that cycle and PCT...

-cycle needs to be 10 to 12 weeks
-consider HCG during your cycle
-you need an AI somewhere in the mix, whether on cycle or in your PCT

Any Qs on this?
you should give us an example of what you think your PCT regimine should look like

[gymnerd]

I agree with chuck on this one. Just get your diet sorted out in the diet section before you start6 your cycle and you are as ready as you are going to be. I have seen alot of people cycle successfully being much less prepared. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[stevey_6t9]

Op your 192...at 6'5? cmon even with 12% bf you still can easily pack on mnore natty on your frame.

[ReX357]

Hey, before you start your cycle, get some bloodwork done. Just wondering if you have an actual reason for being a hard gainer. Plus it's always to get bloodwork done before hand anyways.

[scotimus]

im just a newb so my opinion probably doesnt count much but im with the "for" side as you seem to have a good understanding of diet and a fairly good understanding of working out. i know and have seen 16-20 yr olds who dont know anything about diet cycling so i dont know why anyone would hold you back. u fit all the stickie protocols...over 25yo,training more than two years...

i am a fellow hard gainer so i see your point. 11 years and not much progress?help would be nice and aas is good help if used and respected properly.

[stpete]

alright enough talk about whether you should or shouldnt, at this point you will ultimately make the decision. if you re ready and everything is in place go for it. there is enough advice here for you to move forward

NOW, lets talk about that cycle and PCT...

-cycle needs to be 10 to 12 weeks
-consider HCG during your cycle
-you need an AI somewhere in the mix, whether on cycle or in your PCT

Any Qs on this?
you should give us an example of what you think your PCT regimine should look like

Agreed! But i suggest a 12 week cycle. And to be quite frank, i'm tired of seeing all these guys suggesting that his diet is out of whack. I have yet to see yours posted like sandman posted his. So, till you do, lay off the guy. Or, if you have the balls and know how, post yours up for us to critique. But i know you won't. The reason why, you don't know as much about your diet as he does his. Prove me wrong.
Sandman....Let's talk PCT.

[x_SANDMAN_x]

Agreed! But i suggest a 12 week cycle. And to be quite frank, i'm tired of seeing all these guys suggesting that his diet is out of whack. I have yet to see yours posted like sandman posted his. So, till you do, lay off the guy. Or, if you have the balls and know how, post yours up for us to critique. But i know you won't. The reason why, you don't know as much about your diet as he does his. Prove me wrong.
Sandman....Let's talk PCT.

lol
good looking out bro!
Im thinking Nolvadex only... Or Clomid
100/50/50/50

what do you think? Im open to suggestions.

[BJJ]

lol
good looking out bro!
Im thinking Nolvadex only... Or Clomid
100/50/50/50

what do you think? Im open to suggestions.

Why not both? their sinergy is important, something like:

Clomiphene C. 100/100/50/50
Tamoxifene C. 40/40/20/20

Also, why not taking into account toremifene?

[gymnerd]

agreed! But i suggest a 12 week cycle. And to be quite frank, i'm tired of seeing all these guys suggesting that his diet is out of whack. I have yet to see yours posted like sandman posted his. So, till you do, lay off the guy. Or, if you have the balls and know how, post yours up for us to critique. But i know you won't. The reason why, you don't know as much about your diet as he does his. Prove me wrong.
Sandman....let's talk pct.

amen.

[anabolic1979]

Its your choice your 28. i think you should do a cycle if you want. You have been working out for years naturally, you look to be in pretty good shape overall. I would run test E for 12 weeks 500mg a week and 30mg ed dbol for the first 4 to 6 weeks. Try and up your calories and protein intake.