Which supplements are a MUST?

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Your rubbishing peer-reviewed scientific published data? For "personal experience"?

You meen to tell me you tried the exact diet, training regime and experimented on various supplements throughout "20 years" and took every variable into account, then formulated an opinoin based on the data? What have you concluded over "20 years".

You see, I get ****ed off with people saying, I did this and that over X amount of years as it means close to nothing when put next too a published study. When you argue a point, you need to present some sort of argument and "20 years" experience, means very little when claiming the opposite of published clinical data by various universities conducted by medical professionals.

how can it mean very little? and yes i was dedicated when i was competing and ate the same boring crap for years and as i competed in plifting there really are only three lifts to be concerned with, the only diff variables were illness and injury. in answer to your statement in bold, creatine, zma, hmb and the standard vits are all i'd consider useful. you guys apparently know more than every experienced person i know in competitive athletics and years experience under their belts? i can name 13 sports nutrition books in my collection, how many have any of you? gun slinger makes viable points like what killed you 10yrs ago is good for you today. arguements like never take your creatine along with your protein 15 years ago, now we have 'clinically' proven all in one formulas. dont you think there are variables in clinically tests? they dont have testing over a big enough population and almost always end in 'in theory' or 'it seems'. and iron maiden, ive been taking the friggin stuff since b4 you where born. now, swifto, please explain to me why you would listen to ppls steroid experiences and not count ppls supplement experience. i am presenting a very viable arguement for experience/published book studies v internet published studies

[Swifto]

how can it mean very little? and yes i was dedicated when i was competing and ate the same boring crap for years and as i competed in plifting there really are only three lifts to be concerned with, the only diff variables were illness and injury. in answer to your statement in bold, creatine, zma, hmb and the standard vits are all i'd consider useful. you guys apparently know more than every experienced person i know in competitive athletics and years experience under their belts? i can name 13 sports nutrition books in my collection, how many have any of you? gun slinger makes viable points like what killed you 10yrs ago is good for you today. arguements like never take your creatine along with your protein 15 years ago, now we have 'clinically' proven all in one formulas. dont you think there are variables in clinically tests? they dont have testing over a big enough population and almost always end in 'in theory' or 'it seems'. and iron maiden, ive been taking the friggin stuff since b4 you where born. now, swifto, please explain to me why you would listen to ppls steroid experiences and not count ppls supplement experience. i am presenting a very viable arguement for experience/published book studies v internet published studies

The evidence that has been presented on BCAA's is new, or fairly new. I'm sure you'de agree newer research is better than older. Well, most of the time.

I can see were not going to agree on this. I have an opinoin on BCAA's and Leucine supplementation. I agree with the references presented.

You have an opinoin based on other opinoins and theory's from, it seems, individuals. Thats dangerous.

Do you take everything Anthony Roberts and Eric Portratz write in articles, as I can point out a fair few flaws.

Rather than take others views and try to present tham as fact, do your own research and read various journals.

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The evidence that has been presented on BCAA's is new, or fairly new. I'm sure you'de agree newer research is better than older. Well, most of the time.

I can see were not going to agree on this. I have an opinoin on BCAA's and Leucine supplementation. I agree with the references presented.

You have an opinoin based on other opinoins and theory's from, it seems, individuals. Thats dangerous.

Do you take everything Anthony Roberts and Eric Portratz write in articles, as I can point out a fair few flaws.

Rather than take others views and try to present tham as fact, do your own research and read various journals.

jesus, no! anthony roberts is full of shit and always has been. i dont buy crap like tht, i mean proper sports nutrition books, think text book rather than bb orientated crap. yep we'll have to agree to disagree. i speaking based on my own experiences and some journals have confirmed it and yeah you could be right on the updated info but again i lean towards what i worked for me. cheers