Which supplements are a MUST?

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Exactly. Just a kid with less than five years under his belt and already knows everything there is to know about bodybuilding. Maybe one day he will be able to look back as we do and see just how stupid he was.

So you will use age bias to, good idea, but don't make it a habit since it basically a cheap shot at someone.

On another note when did I say I knew everything? Up until several months ago I thought it was a useless supplement as well. But science doesn't lie, until I see new contradictory data my opinion stands as it always has.

Age and personal experience mean a hell of a lot in bodybuilding. For many years myself and others have used our own bodies to put all these theories to the test and we have through trial and error found what works in real life and what just looks good on paper. Find all the studies you like and you still can't discredit years of real world experience.

So you keep bringing up this personal experience, I don't give a shit how many non controlled "experiments" you have done on your body. A solid study which link A to B is much more powerful. Basically your argument against its use is this: 'BCAAs are useless because I said so,' not good enough.

Actually I can discredit real world experience, anyone with half a brain would see your argument as weak and transparent, especially since what you are presenting is disorganized/non existant data.

Continue on with your ignorant ways, I'm done with this discussion.

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So you will use age bias to, good idea, but don't make it a habit since it basically a cheap shot at someone.

On another note when did I say I knew everything? Up until several months ago I thought it was a useless supplement as well. But science doesn't lie, until I see new contradictory data my opinion stands as it always has.

So you keep bringing up this personal experience, I don't give a shit how many non controlled "experiments" you have done on your body. A solid study which link A to B is much more powerful. Basically your argument against its use is this: 'BCAAs are useless because I said so,' not good enough.

Actually I can discredit real world experience, anyone with half a brain would see your argument as weak and transparent, especially since what you are presenting is disorganized/non existant data.

Continue on with your ignorant ways, I'm done with this discussion.

now that is blatant stupidity, why do ppl like myself ask experience of Big and Marcus regarding aas? because simply they have the experience and age (ie time spent doing something), something tht constitutes being hailed as a veteran, what experiences have you got at 19? and what about all the displaced bullshit that aparently were 'scientific'?

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now that is blatant stupidity, why do ppl like myself ask experience of Big and Marcus regarding aas? because simply they have the experience and age (ie time spent doing something), something tht constitutes being hailed as a veteran, what experiences have you got at 19? and what about all the displaced bullshit that aparently were 'scientific'?

I'm sorry on the poor wording, there are certain occations where real world experience does apply. AAS there is no other choice since the science doesn't exist in vast quantities due to the fact of it being a controlled substance.

What I meant is Gunslingers real world experiance with his non controlled experiments using bcaas is weak and transparent. His claims based on real world experience is null and void.

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I'm sorry on the poor wording, there are certain occations where real world experience does apply. AAS there is no other choice since the science doesn't exist in vast quantities due to the fact of it being a controlled substance.

What I meant is Gunslingers real world experiance with his non controlled experiments using bcaas is weak and transparent. His claims based on real world experience is null and void.

i dont mean to argue with or oppose you but you have to see that whats sauce for goose aint ness sauce for the gander. i had the same training partner for close on 10yrs, some supps worked him and not on me and vice versa. and believe me i tried everything poss to get an extra kilo or two on my three lifts, naturally with supps that is. not to say aminos dont work but they arent ness as an extra therefore not worth it, can easily get em thru shakes and diet.

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i dont mean to argue with or oppose you but you have to see that whats sauce for goose aint ness sauce for the gander. i had the same training partner for close on 10yrs, some supps worked him and not on me and vice versa. and believe me i tried everything poss to get an extra kilo or two on my three lifts, naturally with supps that is. not to say aminos dont work but they arent ness as an extra therefore not worth it, can easily get em thru shakes and diet.

My argument has never been that they are neccesary or not, simply that they have been proven scientifically to be benefical supplement. I know through a great diet that all of this can be acheived and never once argued against that. But circumstances are different among people. But to simply say that x sucks because it didn't work for me when contradictory data excists to say otherwise is just dumb. As you said some things worked for your partner that didn't work for you.