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    REDICULOUSLY INFORMATIVE THREAD!!!

    serious information available throughout. I'm a new guy and have read off and on this forum for a few months.

    I fear as a new guy, having a source ready to go, that, I am not informed as I should be prior to use.......

    information on this subject is infinite.

    I am very interested in gaining strength mainly and some added weight within 10-15lbs of my own.

    30 yrs
    5'8"
    175
    12% BF

    collagen synthesis is a major factor for me to maintain, build and protect my tendons/joints while training.

    plan to as suggested during this thread to go 6 weeks with VAR at 70mg. nolva, possibly clomid PCT.

    possibly a VAR/Deca stack or VAR/Equipoise cycle as alternatives.....would like to hear your opinion of these stacks in regards to my wishes being involved in a sport in which I must maintain my weight within 10-15lbs of my natural of 175lbs. I do have some room to make in bringing down my EST BF% of 12% to clear space for my intention of getting leaner and building some lean mass as well.

    suggestions?






    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Something else you may want to read about either winny and var:

    While injecting test increases Protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

    Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. tendons tear easily on it.
    Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
    Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

    You can plan a cycle of anabolic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
    deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ,Equipoise, anavar, and primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic steroids like sus, testosterone cypionate, or testosterone enanthate.

    While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

    To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase Joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar or primobolan - methenolone - as the base of your cycle. testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar and primobolan - methenolone - will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

    deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
    primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
    Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.

    Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies doenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
    These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
    deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate : 15 days Equipoise: 14 days primobolan: 10.5 days
    anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

    gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, human growth hormone - somatropin - at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

    Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - primobolan - methenolone - anavar and deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - are all good, they increase several biomakers of collagen syn, ie type III, II, I, procollagen markers. gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - just seems to do so most dramatically.

    Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic steroids, the decision is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tappeast View Post
    REDICULOUSLY INFORMATIVE THREAD!!!

    serious information available throughout. I'm a new guy and have read off and on this forum for a few months.

    I fear as a new guy, having a source ready to go, that, I am not informed as I should be prior to use.......

    information on this subject is infinite.

    I am very interested in gaining strength mainly and some added weight within 10-15lbs of my own.

    30 yrs
    5'8"
    175
    12% BF

    collagen synthesis is a major factor for me to maintain, build and protect my tendons/joints while training.

    plan to as suggested during this thread to go 6 weeks with VAR at 70mg. nolva, possibly clomid PCT.

    possibly a VAR/Deca stack or VAR/Equipoise cycle as alternatives.....would like to hear your opinion of these stacks in regards to my wishes being involved in a sport in which I must maintain my weight within 10-15lbs of my natural of 175lbs. I do have some room to make in bringing down my EST BF% of 12% to clear space for my intention of getting leaner and building some lean mass as well.

    suggestions?

    If I had to choose between your options I would go for eq over deca.
    Just take into account eq will make you starving so either you take a low dose (but you may experinece no benefits at all) or you go for 400 mgw (a solid starting base) but with the risk of eating too much!
    Please note, I have no direct experience on Boldenone Undecylenate, therefore I speak on personal readings.

    You may also want to consider mesterolone (proviron) to stak with oxandrolone since it helped me to hold LH and FSH values within the normal ranges.
    Consider that as my personal experience only, since as far as I am concerned, there are no studies to support that.

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    If I had to choose between your options I would go for eq over deca.
    Just take into account eq will make you starving so either you take a low dose (but you may experinece no benefits at all) or you go for 400 mgw (a solid starting base) but with the risk of eating too much!
    Please note, I have no direct experience on Boldenone Undecylenate, therefore I speak on personal readings.

    You may also want to consider mesterolone (proviron) to stak with oxandrolone since it helped me to hold LH and FSH values within the normal ranges.
    Consider that as my personal experience only, since as far as I am concerned, there are no studies to support that.

    Good Luck
    BJJ do you know the actual studies that show how these compounds effect the collagen synthesis? I have read it before but I have never found the source. Also what are your thought on using HCG instead of proviron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwnflow View Post
    BJJ do you know the actual studies that show how these compounds effect the collagen synthesis? I have read it before but I have never found the source. Also what are your thought on using HCG instead of proviron?
    Take a look on this thread, there is all the information you need on Oxandrolone, since I posted many studies over it.

    HCG and Mesterolone are two different things. There is no reason to use HCG with Oxandrolone since you will not experience any testicular shrinkage (never found a study that stated differently).
    Use Proviron instead to to get rid of excess water (which in any case is experienced with Oxandrolone only over 100 mg ed), prevent eventual gyno (rare with Anavar) and for its ability to break the link between AAS-SHBG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Take a look on this thread, there is all the information you need on Oxandrolone, since I posted many studies over it.

    HCG and Mesterolone are two different things. There is no reason to use HCG with Oxandrolone since you will not experience any testicular shrinkage (never found a study that stated differently).
    Use Proviron instead to to get rid of excess water (which in any case is experienced with Oxandrolone only over 100 mg ed), prevent eventual gyno (rare with Anavar) and for its ability to break the link between AAS-SHBG.
    Yes I have seen those studies but I mean where this we get such specific numbers from.

    deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
    primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
    Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pwnflow View Post
    Yes I have seen those studies but I mean where this we get such specific numbers from.

    deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
    primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
    Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.


    Do you mean from which scientific source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Do you mean from which scientific source?
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    If I had to choose between your options I would go for eq over deca.
    Just take into account eq will make you starving so either you take a low dose (but you may experinece no benefits at all) or you go for 400 mgw (a solid starting base) but with the risk of eating too much!
    Please note, I have no direct experience on Boldenone Undecylenate, therefore I speak on personal readings.

    You may also want to consider mesterolone (proviron) to stak with oxandrolone since it helped me to hold LH and FSH values within the normal ranges.
    Consider that as my personal experience only, since as far as I am concerned, there are no studies to support that.

    Good Luck
    thanks for the reply, I think i'm going to just do the VAR on its own....being my first time and geared more to my objectives.

    any chance I can speak with you through PM and discuss a couple questions I have, not talking source check either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tappeast View Post
    thanks for the reply, I think i'm going to just do the VAR on its own....being my first time and geared more to my objectives.

    any chance I can speak with you through PM and discuss a couple questions I have, not talking source check either.
    To PM you need 25 posts I believe.
    You may also discuss on here if related to aas, no problem for me.

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