Tren Cycle Questions

[idrockasupra]

This is the OP, he does not need tren or any other AAS.. This was also after one cycle already....... I mean honestly does this guy looks like he benches 405 for reps ? Some pros go lighter then that, I'm not trying to be a dick, but try natural lifting for a while before you just start putting needles in your body.

[Kibble]

He says that he reps 405 for 6 reps on BB Bench. If that is true, then he is a beast with retard power. He sounds like he is going to use Tren regardless.

[Lean1038]

This is the OP, he does not need tren or any other AAS.. This was also after one cycle already....... I mean honestly does this guy looks like he benches 405 for reps ? Some pros go lighter then that, I'm not trying to be a dick, but try natural lifting for a while before you just start putting needles in your body.

Wow. Dude needs a DIET not gear, and honestly... Do you even workout?

[jcosley]

Wow. Dude needs a DIET not gear, and honestly... Do you even workout?

Are you ****in serious....go **** urself seriously.

[amcon]

ok if that is the op pic - first op you need to be up front with us... i bench 405 for three and i have kicked my ass to get to that level... and yes tren helped after i got to a very high level because of diet and work out splits...

so, first thing op you need to drop some bf, and that is normal it is like taking a drag car and just dumping a strong engien in it and not fixing up the breaks and susspension or fuel system...

read up on diet maybe clen - drop the bf and do a real good test e or c only cycle... the see your advancements

i have a friend that has been lifting for years and is bulky but not cut, he did a test only cycle and lost the love handles and dropped some good bf... after he got his diet right

good luck

[jcosley]

I HAVE MY DIET RIGHT. I'm not some fkin idiot noob on here. This thread instantly saddens me that people can be that fckin ignorant in this world to say....I dont even think this guy works out. Seriously....grow the F up.

I dont understand what I have to prove to any of you on my bench press....its getting ridiculous. It was the height of my test cycle, I got 4 plates on each side up probably 3-4 times. If I said 5-6 I was pry mistaken and must have gotten the weights screwed up. U guys act like it makes u feel like less of a man, its only F'in bench press good god.

[RANA]

When it comes to body building it doesn't matter how much you bench, having said that in your first post you state that you are 12%, I would say more like 16-18% maybe more. I have read where so many people say there diet is right and then they post it and it shows so many errors.
I think you should post what you ate yesterday, that's if you want to.

[jcosley]

When it comes to body building it doesn't matter how much you bench, having said that in your first post you state that you are 12%, I would say more like 16-18% maybe more. I have read where so many people say there diet is right and then they post it and it shows so many errors.
I think you should post what you ate yesterday, that's if you want to.

egg
breakfast 3.00

Grilled Skinless Chicken Breast (4 oz)
breakfast 1.00

Mushrooms (1 cup)
breakfast 1.50

Yellow Bell Pepper (1/4 cup)
breakfast 1.00

Nature's Bounty Fish Oil
breakfast 4 caps

Lettuce, Romaine
lunch 2.00

Light Tuna (1 can)

Mushrooms (1 cup)

Optimum Nutrition 100% Casein Protein
afternoon snack

All The Whey Protein Isolate
afternoon snack

Nature's Bounty Fish Oil
afternoon snack 4


Oats
pre-workout 1/2 cup

All The Whey Whey Protein Blend (1 scoop)
pre-workout


All The Whey Whey Protein Blend
post-workout 2 scoops

Dextrose Powder (30 grams)
post-workout


LEMON Juice, Fresh Squeezed (drank in a water bottle throughout day)

Lettuce, Romaine (5 cups)
dinner

Grilled Skinless Chicken Breast (4 oz)
dinner

Asparagus
dinner 1.50

1 egg and 1 white (hard boiled)
evening snack

cottage cheese (1 cup)
evening snack

Cals Fat Cholest Sodium Carbs Sugars Fiber Protein
1,911 46g 1,167mg 2,066mg 103g 59g 23g 268g

[jcosley]

If it's hard to read....or you want to see my entire weeks' diet....look at this:

http://www.livestrong.com/profile/jcosley/

I'm pretty sure I have diet down well.

[amcon]

if you eat like that it would be hard to believe you look like that... not flaming you but - something doesnt compute.

as for the 405 same thing - but really i could careless what you bench when all you want to do is look dif.... right?

so somthing is wrong- something doesnt add up - if that is what you eat it is not what you have bee eating.

your bf in that pic looks well above 20% and you do look like you lift, you have a base - so dont worry about ever comment left - just focus on what you are looking to do.

ok - seriously i would not use steroids right now... if i were you i would hit some clen or albuteral, then drop the bf and continue the same diet listed till you can see at leat 4 pack on you stomach, and drop the love handles.

next, i would post you work out splits chest/ties, back/bies and such... we dont care about your max weights and how much you can lift (well 80% of us dont) plus you came here to look better not get in to power lifting.

so - reset and where can we halp ya

[amcon]

btw in my avatar im prob 10-11% body fat... fyi

[D7M]

Bro, in all honesty, stop by the diet forum and start a thread, you'll be glad you did.

You're not even eating 2,000cals/day? I had my ex-gf cutting on more cals than that...seriously.

[jcosley]

Thanks for the replies. When did I say i was 12% bf???? Because if I did it was an obvious typo....I know i'm in the high teens or even 20s yet. So get off my case about this stuff, good god people. Well in that pic I'm 240 lbs....right now i'm cut down to 232 as of today and was as low as 229 so far. And I dont see how something doesn't add up. My total start weight was like 278 lbs and i'm down close to 50 lbs....but obviously I'm doing something wrong and something doesnt add up? I dont get u people seriously.

[D7M]

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not trying to flame you or give you a hard time. everyone starts somewhere, and I'm just trying to help.

I'm sure you did loose weight on that diet. I don't see how you couldn't. But it will damn near impossible for you to retain muscle on 2k cals/day as well. Your food choices aren't bad, you're just not eating enough.

bro, I've seen it before with myself and others, people who are trying to loose fat end up cutting cals way too much too fast, and so sacrifice muscle in the process.

But, if that's the look you're going for, then good luck.

[RANA]

Thanks for the replies. When did I say i was 12% bf???? Because if I did it was an obvious typo....I know i'm in the high teens or even 20s yet. So get off my case about this stuff, good god people. Well in that pic I'm 240 lbs....right now i'm cut down to 232 as of today and was as low as 229 so far. And I dont see how something doesn't add up. My total start weight was like 278 lbs and i'm down close to 50 lbs....but obviously I'm doing something wrong and something doesnt add up? I dont get u people seriously.

Off of your very first post on this thread, we can only go by what you post...

Just a few questions on this subject of Tren Enhan. What support supplements do you all use ON cycle. I've read that you should take an AI but that would be for stacking with Test as Tren doesnt aromatize, but what about T3? Have any of you used this throughout the cycles as it says in the Steroid profiles? Just curious because I want to have all the necessary tools for whenever I dive into this stuff.

Next cycle is going to be.

Tren En 1-10 (200)
Test Cyp 1-10 (250)

Anyways, I'd appreciate the input.

As of right now I have Letro, nolva, clomid, T3, clen, and Caber all on hand for my next cycle.

Stats:
229 lbs (cut down 15 from previous cycle)
Age: 28
Cycle: 3rd
About 12% bf

EDIT: Also if you could add in dosing protocols of letro/t3/caber during your cycles I'd appreciate the input.

You first post off of this thread^^^^

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not trying to flame you or give you a hard time. everyone starts somewhere, and I'm just trying to help.

I'm sure you did loose weight on that diet. I don't see how you couldn't. But it will damn near impossible for you to retain muscle on 2k cals/day as well. Your food choices aren't bad, you're just not eating enough.

bro, I've seen it before with myself and others, people who are trying to loose fat end up cutting cals way too much too fast, and so sacrifice muscle in the process.

But, if that's the look you're going for, then good luck.

We said, I totally agree^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[jcosley]

I'm taking in over 250 grams of protein a day regardless....I don't see much wrong with my diet...I get as high as 300 grams and i'm stil under 2500 calories. I'm just tracking my cals on livestrong.com and it's telling me i need to cut around 2400 cals to lose 2 lbs a week. So what am I doing wrong then?

[D7M]

There's more to dieting than just having high protein.

For one, you have low carbs and low fats. You need an energy source, whether it be from carbs or fats.

If you don't see anything wrong with your diet, and more experienced people are suggesting you re-evaluate it in the diet forum, then there's nothing else to say.

so, good luck.

[jcosley]

There's more to dieting than just having high protein.

For one, you have low carbs and low fats. You need an energy source, whether it be from carbs or fats.

If you don't see anything wrong with your diet, and more experienced people are suggesting you re-evaluate it in the diet forum, then there's nothing else to say.

so, good luck.

Not trying to fight you over this.....but I get in plenty of fats a day..I think i'm at about 40/40/20 from looking over my diet this week. Carbs are always around workouts and thats about it, rest are from fruits/veggies.

[D7M]

I went to that livestrong thing you posted and couldn't find your diet or navigate the site.

Just post it up here, if you want some feedback....

[jcosley]

http://www.livestrong.com/profile/jcosley/

Obviously today what sticks out is i'm meeting some friends for wings, but I'm only getting 8 and with water...still fits my daily macros.

[D7M]

I went to that livestrong thing you posted and couldn't find your diet or navigate the site.

Just post it up here, if you want some feedback....

http://www.livestrong.com/profile/jcosley/

Obviously today what sticks out is i'm meeting some friends for wings, but I'm only getting 8 and with water...still fits my daily macros.

I'm out.

good luck.

[jcosley]

I'm out.

good luck.

Ok....whatever. F*kin arrogant pricks on this site. Thanks for all the rude asss comments and lack of help.

[D7M]

Bro, I haven't made one rude or arrogant comment.

But I asked you several times to post your diet, and I'll help you the best I can or get someone here who can. I also told you I can't see where you diet is on that website.

If you refuse our help by not posting your diet, don't chide us for being arrogant and unhelpful.

[jcosley]

Bro, I haven't made one rude or arrogant comment.

But I asked you several times to post your diet, and I'll help you the best I can or get someone here who can. I also told you I can't see where you diet is on that website.

If you refuse our help by not posting your diet, don't chide us for being arrogant and unhelpful.

I posted the link, what diet do you want....from today, yesterday, all week ....what? It's a bitch to copy and paste from that site into this, i have to edit out like a million different things, so if u tried to go to the link and couldnt see it, all you had to do is tell me instead of just givng up and leaving. If i gotta copy and paste I will.

[RANA]

Ok....whatever. F*kin arrogant pricks on this site. Thanks for all the rude asss comments and lack of help.

I feel that after this comment I will no longer provide you with any assistance in you cycles, diet, etc...

[jcosley]

I feel that after this comment I will no longer provide you with any assistance in you cycles, diet, etc...

RANA and D7M have been helpful, everyone else thinks they have to chime in and be a total dickhead about my weight, frame, body, etc and think they are gods gift to the world. Sorry but it bothers me that people had to post my full size pic on this thread....other forums you get banned for doing that. And they were doing it to be pricks about it, not to be helpful.

[D7M]

I posted the link, what diet do you want....from today, yesterday, all week ....what? It's a bitch to copy and paste from that site into this, i have to edit out like a million different things, so if u tried to go to the link and couldnt see it, all you had to do is tell me instead of just givng up and leaving. If i gotta copy and paste I will.

J., I already said I couldn't figure out your diet from that site...see my quoted text below.

And, yes, it would be helpful if you could post your daily diet here.

I went to that livestrong thing you posted and couldn't find your diet or navigate the site.

Just post it up here, if you want some feedback....

[nilrac]

No offence buddy, but by looking at that other thread, and the pics you posted, I don't think you need steroids at all... I think you need to go on a diet. There is no way in hell you are 12% bodyfat.

GL.

[jcosley]

No offence buddy, but by looking at that other thread, and the pics you posted, I don't think you need steroids at all... I think you need to go on a diet. There is no way in hell you are 12% bodyfat.

GL.

WE already went over this....geezus.

[nilrac]

Yeah I know, but it doesn't change the fact that you have already done three cycles and you still don't look like you even train much. You shouldn't be on steroids dude, in my most humble of opinions. Goodluck with everything though.

[jcosley]

Yeah I know, but it doesn't change the fact that you have already done three cycles and you still don't look like you even train much. You shouldn't be on steroids dude, in my most humble of opinions. Goodluck with everything though.

And where are you pics? I love how everyone criticizes on this site, yet no one has pics. I've only been a member for a short time but i bet 90% of people avatar pics are not even them.

[Lean1038]

Bro, in all honesty, stop by the diet forum and start a thread, you'll be glad you did.

You're not even eating 2,000cals/day? I had my ex-gf cutting on more cals than that...seriously.

Exactly. Not to mention you're on garbage protein with no intra workout amino support. Straight dextrose PWO is a first class ticket to bodyfat bro. Trust me, it shows.

I highly doubt you'd have the strength to put up much weight with that kind of fuel. All the gear in the world is near useless without a focused diet.

Just to show you the power of what nutrition training, and proper supplements can do, here's a pic of me before I did my first and only cycle thus far:

5,11" 178lbs 7.5% BF

[jcosley]

Exactly. Not to mention you're on garbage protein with no amino support. Straight dextrose PWO is a first class ticket to bodyfat bro. Trust me, it shows.

I highly doubt you'd have the strength to put up much weight with that kind of fuel.

Then why dont you make a suggestion.

[Lean1038]

Then why dont you make a suggestion.

Glycogen restoration post workout is important. However, spiking your insulin with HG carbs like Dextrose (Corn Sugar) or any other mono-di saccharides simply primes your body to convert any excess into body fat by the liver.

LG carbs or better yet, designer PWO carbs such as Karbolyn by Professional Supplements have the insulin spiking properties of a simple sugar, without the fat storing index. Even moreso, it's a low glycemic carb source without the digestion slowing effects of fiber that commonly comes with them.

It's the best of both worlds.

Also, don't think I'm bashing you man... I just hate seeing guys get on gear that can't even train naturally beforehand. That's why you see these water holding test blobs in the gym that are glowing red because their BP is through the roof due to overdosing on a shit diet (High Cholesterol).

[jcosley]

Glycogen restoration post workout is important. However, spiking your insulin with HG carbs like Dextrose (Corn Sugar) or any other mono-di saccharides simply primes your body to convert any excess into body fat by the liver.

LG carbs or better yet, designer PWO carbs such as Karbolyn by Professional Supplements have the insulin spiking properties of a simple sugar, without the fat storing index. Even moreso, it's a low glycemic carb source without the digestion slowing effects of fiber that commonly comes with them.

It's the best of both worlds.

What do you think about OATS post workout? I haven't been taking dextrose consistently until the last few weeks and i'm about out as of today anyways. I used to do 2 scoops whey, 1/2 cup oats post.

Edit: And I dont understand one other thing about my use of dextrose.....how could it honestly be excess carbs when I workout with weights for probably a good hour and 1/2 followed by 15-30 mins of cardio a day. I mean I'm only taking like 30 grams of dextrose...which is only like 20 something carbs.

[Lean1038]

What do you think about OATS post workout? I haven't been taking dextrose consistently until the last few weeks and i'm about out as of today anyways. I used to do 2 scoops whey, 1/2 cup oats post.

Edit: And I dont understand one other thing about my use of dextrose.....how could it honestly be excess carbs when I workout with weights for probably a good hour and 1/2 followed by 15-30 mins of cardio a day. I mean I'm only taking like 30 grams of dextrose...which is only like 20 something carbs.

Oats, like any LG carb source has quite a bit of fiber in it, which slows the digestion process. You need carbs and you need them NOW to replensih glycogen stores PWO. You just don't want inefficient sugars that lead to bodyfat as I've stated.

This is why designer carbs work so well.

Honestly man, I train 4 days a week for 55 minutes. I hit it hard, get in and get out. I don't do cardio and I'm extremely lean year round. There's no way in hell you train for that long and such a low cal diet and still look like that. You'd be sick skinny, lethargic, and lucky to put up much weight at all IMHO.

I don't think you're giving us all the truthfull info we need.

If I had to guess, I'd say your diet is garbage and you DO workout that much. You're just disappointed that you haven't seen results and you've looked towards gear to compensate for a sh*t diet.

No offense, that's just one of the only situations that would net you your current status.

As stated by many icons on this board, you need nutrition... not gear. Drop by the Diet Forum and get to work.

[jcosley]

Oats, like any LG carb source has quite a bit of fiber in it, which slows the digestion process. You need carbs and you need them NOW to replensih glycogen stores PWO. You just don't want inefficient sugars that lead to bodyfat as I've stated.

This is why designer carbs work so well.

Honestly man, I train 4 days a week for 55 minutes. I hit it hard, get in and get out. I don't do cardio and I'm extremely lean year round. There's no way in hell you train for that long and such a low cal diet and still look like that. You'd be sick skinny IMHO.

I don't think you're giving us all the truthfull info we need.

Why would I lie about it? I've posted my diet...I've been struggling to get from 240s down forever and always wondering what the hell im doing wrong because I train 5-6 days a week and I'm always in the gym for at least an hour and 1/2 everyday. I dont have lie about anything.

[D7M]

I honestly think you're not eating enough, your body is going into 'starvation mode' and holding on to fat...but I can't say for sure without seeing your diet

[jcosley]

Here was my diet from 2 days ago.

2 Scoops All The Whey Whey Protein Blend (breakfast) w/ cinnamon
1/2 cup Organic Light Vanilla Soymilk
4 Fish Oil caps
(breakfast)

Tyson Canned Chicken, Rinsed w/ Guacamole and raw spinach (lunch)
Nature's Bounty Fish Oil (4 fish oil caps lunch)

Oats (pre-workout)
All The Whey Whey Protein Blend (pre-workout)

30 grams Dextrose Powder (post-workout)
2 Scoops All The Whey Whey Protein Blend (post-workout)

Salad (w/ lettuce, spinach, mushrooms, avocado, egg, zero cal dressing)
Grilled chicken (2 4oz pieces) w/ grilled Yellow, green, red peppers w/ 1 tsp evoo (dinner)

cottage cheese (evening snack)

Cals Fat Cholest Sodium Carbs Sugars Fiber Protein
2,178 72g 408mg 2,373mg 126g 59g 26g 268g

[Kibble]

Too much protein powder. Not enough protein from whole foods (imo)