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[Ronnie Rowland]

thank you ronnie from everyone!!! Best explaination we've ever heard...you really do know your shit bro...further questions...should diurectics ever be used??? i don't believe diuretics are ever needed to look your best! A strong anti-es like letro can be used during the last 2-3 weeks prior to a contest if you decide to keep testosterone in the equation on the day of the show. The body regulates itself by lowering water retention to a large degree when using testosterone long term (throughout 12 week contest prep). If you go with non-aromatizing drugs like tren/winnie/masteron there is no physiological reason you should hold noticeable amounts of water while on these drugs. Anti-es are safer and more predictable than diurectics from what i have seen. My observations have shown that cutting water the night before a show along with some letro is best for drying out while remaining full. Diurectics like dyazide can work when used with precision (especially when using test going into show) but you always run the risk of going flat so I would just learn to peak without diurectics. Should one carb deplete before 2-3 day carb load???if you mean should one go into ketosis before carbing loading, then the answer is no. You should already be carb depleted enough by just taking in fewer carbs/calories. You should never do anything drastic as it will sabatoge rather than help! Carb loading is for athletes more so than bodybuilder's. Too many carbs late in the game causes you to spill over. I believe if you plan to do a big carb load it's safer if done earlier in the week to allow water retention to dissapate.

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[VASCULAR VINCE]

as always...great info ronnie..thank you!!!

starting slingshot cutting program...we need recommendations on sets...reps..rest periods between sets...

[Ronnie Rowland]

as always...great info ronnie..thank you!!!

starting slingshot cutting program...we need recommendations on sets...reps..rest periods between sets...

1) I have my clients max out work sets for major muscle group when cutting for a show! This means 12 sets per major body part like arms, chest, delts, quads, etc. I usually do only 8 for back width and 8 for back thickness which is actually 16 sets total for back. Some have went as high as 24 sets total. A high amount of intense work sets will burn off more calories/body fat.

2) Reps stay around 10 and above! I do not go over 15 unless its calves, abs or forearms. I sometimes hit the 20 rep mark on those movements. Higher reps in the 10-15 range helps prevent injury when less water and fat is cushioning your joints during a dieting phase.

3) Rest between sets remains the same! If you try and move faster between sets while dieting down for a show it will cause you to use a lot less weight-hence you will lose density. Forget super-sets and such!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

1) I have my clients max out work sets for major muscle group when cutting for a show! This means 12 sets per major body part like arms, chest, delts, quads, etc. I usually do only 8 for back width and 8 for back thickness which is actually 16 sets total for back. Some have went as high as 24 sets total. A high amount of intense work sets will burn off more calories/body fat.

2) Reps stay around 10 and above! I do not go over 15 unless its calves, abs or forearms. I sometimes hit the 20 rep mark on those movements. Higher reps in the 10-15 range helps prevent injury when less water and fat is cushioning your joints during a dieting phase.

3) Rest between sets remains the same! If you try and move faster between sets while dieting doen for a show it will cause you to use a lot less weight-hence you will lose density!

awesome info as always ronnie......do you think we competitors should start out with a keto diet when preparing for out show 12 week out....or... keep carb in????

[AnimalJ]

Been reading and learning for a long while. Gotta say amazing read, great info. Thanks man, its definitely making me think more of how i want to construct my cycle. I appreciate the time you put into your post.

-Animal

[AnimalJ]

I would like your opinion on this if you would. iv been playing with the idea of doing a cycle for a while and i have dabled with pro hormones some orals and what not but am now ready to this. ill post my stats goals and available gear and perhaps you could bestow some wisdom upon me.

Stats: 5'9 Weight: 206 pounds %BF:14
My goals are to shred up and maintain as much lean mass as possible and with the use of anabolics perhaps gain lean mass in the process. I am a very easy gainer if i eat protein and look at weight i tend to get mass, but cutting fat is a bit of an issue. Anyways id like to be around 202 at 6-8% somewhere in there so i know its all diet and cardio. I am currently on the anabolic diet which is a cyclical ketogenic diet as im sure you know. so in essence im not worried so much about getting bigger but am ready to take my physique to the next level in terms of quality. i do cardio 5-6 days a week sometimes twice a day and do intense weight training on a 4 day split. abs 3 times a week.

Anabolics available. Anavar, QV bold 200 (equipoise) these are the 2 i would like to use seeing as they are the most mild in terms of side effects, what might you recommend for an 8 week cycle as far as dosage and inj times. or if you don't recommend it and you would recommend otter AAS what would you suggest? if its possible to run a cycle with these two i would like to as there so mild, if not i believe i can get test or deca, as i said side effects are a concern but i have accese to hcg, clomid and noval. one more thing if theres any supplements yo u reccomend to take with this cycle? looking forward to a responce (if i get one) and thank you for your time in advance.

-Animal

[Coca Cola]

I've been reading your thread again, and in page 2:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=77

You mentioned that it is not necessary to wait for the long ester to clear before starting pct? Am I reading this correctly?

I had an experience of doing this, I was finishing a Test/Deca cycle and I went straight to pct a week after last shot. The last 2 weeks of the ON cycle i used hcg and i managed to swell up my balls back before entering pct. I continued my hcg treatment up until the first week of pct to maintain the full size while waiting for the clomid and nolva to fully saturate in my system, then week 2 onwards i stop completely.. My pct consist of 4 weeks of clomid 50mg/day and 4 weeks of nolva 20mg/day. But what happen afterwards was that my balls actually shrink again during second week pct.

So from this incident, I made an assumption what went wrong was the long ester hasn't clear up from the last injection, and it continually suppress my HPTA even though I'm already on PCT.

This experience kinda draws attention to your statement where it is not necessary to wait until the ester clear up, if your statement is true, then what do u think went wrong, how did I end up shrinking again during pct even though i enter with full size (up to week 1 pct)?

Is it cause by the long ester (sustanon & deca) that has not clear up?

or could it be because of the use of hcg during pct?

or some other reason which i'm unsure of?

[Ronnie Rowland]

i would like your opinion on this if you would. Iv been playing with the idea of doing a cycle for a while and i have dabled with pro hormones some orals and what not but am now ready to this. Ill post my stats goals and available gear and perhaps you could bestow some wisdom upon me.

Stats: 5'9 weight: 206 pounds %bf:14
my goals are to shred up and maintain as much lean mass as possible and with the use of anabolics perhaps gain lean mass in the process. I am a very easy gainer if i eat protein and look at weight i tend to get mass, but cutting fat is a bit of an issue. Anyways id like to be around 202 at 6-8% somewhere in there so i know its all diet and cardio. I am currently on the anabolic diet which is a cyclical ketogenic diet as im sure you know. IMO GOING IN AND OUT OF KETOSIS ON THIS ANABOLIC DIET IS NOT GOOD! So in essence im not worried so much about getting bigger but am ready to take my physique to the next level in terms of quality. I do cardio 5-6 days a week sometimes twice a day and do intense weight training on a 4 day split. Abs 3 times a week.

Anabolics available. Anavar, qv bold 200 (equipoise) these are the 2 i would like to use seeing as they are the most mild in terms of side effects, what might you recommend for an 8 week cycle as far as dosage and inj times. Your going to need testosterone in any cycle as a base. You will also need to run a 20 week slingshot cycle not an 8 week cycle for maximum results. It's not uncommon to have more side effects on eq (anxiety/high hemocrit levels) and var (lethargicnes/low sex drive) than when using straight testosterone. many options are available. You might try the cycle below with the compounds you mentioned:
Phase 1:
8 week reload- anavar 40 mgs per day/test enatnthate 500 mgs per week divided into two weekly injections.
2 week deload- 250 mgs per week with 1 weekly injection.


Phase 2:
8 week reload-test enanthate 750 mgs of test enanthate divided into 2 weekly injections/400 mgs of eq divided into 2 weekly injections per week.
2 week deload-300 mgs per week with 1 weekly injection.

Or if you don't recommend it and you would recommend otter aas what would you suggest? If its possible to run a cycle with these two i would like to as there so mild, if not i believe i can get test or deca, as i said side effects are a concern but i have accese to hcg, clomid and noval. One more thing if theres any supplements yo u reccomend to take with this cycle? supplements would be protein powder, fish oil caps, glucosamine/chondroitin and have anties on hand in case needed. Taking creatine ehtyl ester during 2 week deloads works well. looking forward to a responce (if i get one) and thank you for your time in advance.

-animal

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[Ronnie Rowland]

awesome info as always ronnie......do you think we competitors should start out with a keto diet when preparing for out show 12 week out....or... keep carb in????

You should always keep carbs in the diet when possible because they produce glucose (your bodies preferred source of energy) and prevent muscle break down. Ketosis is best used as a tool if needed to get off stubborn fat that remains after slowly tapering carbs. Some prefer to do ketogenic throughout most of their diet because they cannot control carb cravings unless they totally eliminate them from their diet.