Man angry at IRS crashes plane into Texas building

[eliteforce]

BinLaden also lambasted US "taxes" as justification for his attack, only he was more frustrated at how US tax dollars are spent (they are spent promoting unpopular policies in the Middle East for example) where as this guy has an issue with the collection methods and the amount of tax he is asked to pay..on the other hand if the US wasn't spending so much money in the ME, then they probably wouldn't be asking him fo so much.. seems like another double-standard.. like muslims are so dangerous and they are 'terrorists' but people like this and Timothy McVeigh is just some angry white folk.

[Mooseman33]

BinLaden also lambasted US "taxes" as justification for his attack, only he was more frustrated at how US tax dollars are spent (they are spent promoting unpopular policies in the Middle East for example) where as this guy has an issue with the collection methods and the amount of tax he is asked to pay..on the other hand if the US wasn't spending so much money in the ME, then they probably wouldn't be asking him fo so much.. seems like another double-standard.. like muslims are so dangerous and they are 'terrorists' but people like this and Timothy McVeigh is just some angry white folk.

Bin laden and US taxes....just stupid as he doesnt spend a dime on our taxes.
this guy got screwed for years by the scumbag IRS. sad someone lost a family member meaning the innocent death.
Tim Mcveigh was a evil scumbag, isolated event, 1 time..not part of any holy war just some sick fvk..the muslims are on what number attack now?

[Kratos]

BinLaden also lambasted US "taxes" as justification for his attack, only he was more frustrated at how US tax dollars are spent (they are spent promoting unpopular policies in the Middle East for example) where as this guy has an issue with the collection methods and the amount of tax he is asked to pay..on the other hand if the US wasn't spending so much money in the ME, then they probably wouldn't be asking him fo so much.. seems like another double-standard.. like muslims are so dangerous and they are 'terrorists' but people like this and Timothy McVeigh is just some angry white folk.

Hello again muslim propagandist.

First of all this has nothing to do with the middle east. There is little connection between what the gvmt charges this guy and the money spent in the middle east. In fact there isn't even a connection anymore between total tax dollars spent or collected.

Also, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, we called him one, we still call him one even after we killed him...white or not, he was executed for being a terrorist...so what's your point? Bin Ladden is a terroisit, and we either have killed him, he died on his own, or we plan to kill him. However, unlike McVeigh, who was a lone wolf, Bin Ladden runs a network of terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had been using religion to recruit members of a certain church or something...you might be able to create some kind of parallel. However, your one track mind has once again exposed itself as inferior and racially motivated.

[thegodfather]

Hello again muslim propagandist.

First of all this has nothing to do with the middle east. There is little connection between what the gvmt charges this guy and the money spent in the middle east. In fact there isn't even a connection anymore between total tax dollars spent or collected.

Also, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, we called him one, we still call him one even after we killed him...white or not, he was executed for being a terrorist...so what's your point? Bin Ladden is a terroisit, and we either have killed him, he died on his own, or we plan to kill him. However, unlike McVeigh, who was a lone wolf, Bin Ladden runs a network of terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had been using religion to recruit members of a certain church or something...you might be able to create some kind of parallel. However, your one track mind has once again exposed itself as inferior and racially motivated.

An article you should read...

Terrorism: The Most Meaningless and Manipulated Word
By Glenn Greenwald
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Published 02/20/10

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Yesterday, Joseph Stack deliberately flew an airplane into a building housingIRSoffices in Austin, Texas, in order to advance the political grievances he outlined in a perfectly cogent suicide-manifesto. Stack's worldview contained elements of the tea party's anti-government anger along with substantial populist complaints generally associated with "the Left"(rage over bailouts, the suffering of America's poor, and the pilfering of the middle class by a corrupt economic elite and their government-servants). All of that was accompanied by an argument as to why violence was justified (indeed necessary)to protest those injustices:

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the "great" depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn't it ironic how far we've come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn't have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it's "business-as-usual" . . . . Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.

Despite all that, The New York Times' Brian Stelter documents the deep reluctance of cable news chatterers and government officials to label the incident an act of "terrorism," even though -- as Dave Neiwert ably documents -- it perfectly fits, indeed is a classic illustration of, every official definition of that term. The issue isn't whether Stack's grievances are real or his responses just; it is that the act unquestionably comports with the official definition. But as NBC's Pete Williams said of the official insistence that this was not an act of Terrorism: there are "a couple of reasons to say that . . . One is he’s an American citizen." Fox News' Megan Kelley asked Catherine Herridge about these denials:"I take it that they mean terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to?," to which Herridge replied: "they mean terrorism in that capital T way."

All of this underscores, yet again, that Terrorism is simultaneously the single most meaningless and most manipulated word in the American political lexicon. The term now has virtually nothing to do with the act itself and everything to do with the identity of the actor, especially his or her religious identity. It has really come to mean:"a Muslim who fights against or even expresses hostility towards theUnited States, Israel and their allies." That's why all of this confusion and doubt arose yesterday over whether a person who perpetrated a classic act of Terrorism should, in fact, be called a Terrorist:he's not a Muslim and isn't acting on behalf of standard Muslim grievances against the U.S. or Israel, and thus does not fit the "definition." One might concede that perhaps there's some technical sense in which term might apply to Stack, but as Fox News emphasized: it's not "terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to . . . terrorism in that capital T way."We all know who commits terrorism in "that capital T way,"and it's not people named Joseph Stack.

Contrast the collective hesitance to call Stack a Terrorist with the extremely dubious circumstances under which that term is reflexively applied to Muslims. If a Muslim attacks a military base preparing to deploy soldiers to a war zone, that person is a Terrorist. If an American Muslim argues that violence against theU.S. (particularly when aimed at military targets)is justified due to American violence aimed at the Muslim world, that person is a Terrorist who deserves assassination. And if the U.S. military invades a Muslim country, Muslims who live in the invaded and occupied country and who fight back against the invadingAmerican army -- by attacking nothing but military targets -- are also Terrorists. Indeed, large numbers of detainees at Guantanamo were accused of being Terrorists for nothing more than attacking members of an invading foreign army in their country, including 14-year-old Mohamed Jawad, who spent many years in Guantanamo, accused (almost certainly falsely)of throwing a grenade at two American troops in Afghanistan who were part of an invading force in that country. Obviously, plots targeting civilians for death -- the 9/11 attacks and attempts to blow up civilian aircraft -- are pure terrorism, but a huge portion of the acts committed by Muslims that receive that label are not.

[Kratos]

Despite all that, The New York Times' Brian Stelter documents the deep reluctance of cable news chatterers and government officials to label the incident an act of "terrorism," even though -- as Dave Neiwert ably documents -- it perfectly fits, indeed is a classic illustration of, every official definition of that term..

I think now that it's over, we can all agree it is terrorism and he is a terrorist. Some people might agree with him, but he's still a terrorist either way.

I don't agree with the media making that distinction. I understand why they do, but there is a better way. They could say, "this doesn't appear to be islamic terrorism, or foreign terrorism ect."

If they come out and call him a domestic terrorist (which is what he is) right after it happens, people are going to freak out. They'll hear the word terrorist and not the word you put in front of it. They can affirm what he is not correctly however.

It is the fault of islamic terrorism that it becomes hard to throw around the term terrorist at all without people making racial or religious assumptions. I don't feel all that guilty for the evoloution of the language.

[eliteforce]

There's little connection! Wars that cost a billion dollars a week! defence spending is the second largest part of the budget behind entitlements, and the out of control deficit is putting alot of presure on IRS agents to bring in some green--that means people like this are likly to feel to presured since he's barely making it and still the dogs are after him. I would say there's a direct connection.

Immediately after the TV bombing a local newspaper ran the headline [to the effect] 'domestic suspects rule out terrorism' (can't remember the exact headline), and other news organizations neglected to use the word 'terrorism' and instead used a variety of other words to describe the bombing, by about the second day enough people like me were making such a stink about them not using the word 'terrorists' that the media quickly 360ed and started using the words domestic terrorists, followed by a debate about the initial reluctance to use the word terrorist, the obvious was the notion that terrorism was an islamic middle eastern thing.

And Timothy McVeigh was no lone wolf, he prepared the bombing truck with this other guy that owned a farm-thats how they got all that fertilizer, they also had help from a third guy and his sister who were never prosecuted because there wasn't enough evidence to prove they knew what the plan was ahead of time. And all these people were part of a broader militia movement and the attack was to avenge the deaths of the branch dividian militants.

And BinLadens group in reality isn't big, he hides out with a few supporters but direct communication with his 'followers' is all but impossible, instead he's just a symbol like the branch dividians, and he has support from a broader patchwork of islamic groups..

Hello again muslim propagandist.

First of all this has nothing to do with the middle east. There is little connection between what the gvmt charges this guy and the money spent in the middle east. In fact there isn't even a connection anymore between total tax dollars spent or collected.

Also, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, we called him one, we still call him one even after we killed him...white or not, he was executed for being a terrorist...so what's your point? Bin Ladden is a terroisit, and we either have killed him, he died on his own, or we plan to kill him. However, unlike McVeigh, who was a lone wolf, Bin Ladden runs a network of terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had been using religion to recruit members of a certain church or something...you might be able to create some kind of parallel. However, your one track mind has once again exposed itself as inferior and racially motivated.