1st cycle q's

[americanoak]

So before I go on about this cycle info, I want to mention a few things. I am not 100% certain if I will be taking this cycle in the near future, or in a couple of years. All i want to know is how everything looks and what can be improved.

I am 21, which i know many of you will say is too young and to wait untill 25 however, If I did decide to run this cycle I would like to do it right, so it would be very much appreciated if any age bashing could be left out of this thread.

My stats are:
21
185lb
6'
~10% bf

I have been training naturally for a few years and have seen very promising results however, I would like to see how a mild first cycle will take affect on my body. It is close to the summer time and what better time, if i decide to take it, then now?

Here is what I am proposing:

6week cycle Anavar 40mg ed.
(Yes I know, test e at 500/week would be best etc.etc i have read many threads and I know how many of you will reply to this, so hopfully this can be put aside and we can look at just what I am posting)

PCT:

Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50

I have also been informed that HCG would be a smart choice in this cycle, so if i decide to run HCg with it I will most likely start it at week 2 of my cycle. So, i will be running the HCG from weeks 2-6 then during the PCT (another 4 weeks) totalling 8 weeks.

I need a little help chosing a dose on the HCG however.

In the end everything will look like this (f HCG is included):

1-6: var 40mg ed
2-10: HCG ___IUs/week
6-10: Nolv/Clomid (40/40/20/20 || 75/50/50/50)

Do i need to run nolvadex during my cycle when HCG is started as well? And, how nessecary is the HCG for a cycle like this?

Thank you

[c-Z]

Dislike.

40mgs i way to low any ways. HCG on an oral cycle? never seen that. It shouldn't be in pct. and var shouldn't shut you down that bad.

Why are you running only anavar at such a low dose?

[americanoak]

So HCG is not needed? I was told it would be good to combat low labido and to help test functon after the cycle is over. But if i dont need it then that would be even better hah.

Why I decided a 40mg dose is because I have seen many people say that should be the minimum dosage, it is my first cycle, I do not want to inject, I am not looking to put on many lbs of muscle, (just a couple) and to lean out, become a little more vascular, drop some bf, etc.

[FranciscoG]

I am the one that suggested hCG.

I did so because although it is not a large cycle everyone is different and it may help him recover faster. Secondly, I personally have labido issues on cycles that do not have test in them. I have had labido issues with hCG bridges. Although, these problems are not life threatening I suggested hCG is one of those things better to have on hand and not need than need and not have.

[gunslinger2]

A few points:

1. Way too young to start AAS
2. 40mg of var for 6 weeks , assuming its legit will maybe harden you up a bit and might put a few pounds on you , but nothing you could not do with creatine at your age.
3. I don't think such a strong PCT is needed for this "cycle"
4. Its going to be very expensive and low return.

[americanoak]

I like pharmdoc's reasoning which is one of the reasons I am probably going to get HCG if I decide to do this. I know I am young, which is why I'm still not sure about it. I was thinking about ordering my stuff last night but at the last minute changed my mind again. When it comes down to it it is a very difficult decision. I know t is costly, but i currently have enough to buy what i need for the cycle, which is another reason I thought about it. A couple lbs is all I am really looking for and If i was going to do the cycle it'd prolly be strarting of may, so maybe lll try out some creatine, I have used it in the past and my strength shot through the roof, but never really got any physical gains that were worth to keep taking it because i do tend to retain some water when taking creatine. Does anyone know how to prevent this? If so, that would be great, and may be a large deciding factor on weather i wait a few more years to start a cycle and to add in a test base.

Gunslinger, ifthis PCT is too strong for this cycle then what do you sugest. I will have enough of botch nolv and clomid when I buy them to do that PCT without having to buy extra, which is why i would rather be safe than sorry, but these are also more drugs going into my body and if i dont NEED that much for a PCT then I would like to hear what you think.

Another question, for the average person, since I know many of ou will point out we are all individual and each cycle has diff results, but for this cycle, if you had to take 20 people, of those 20 people (my age) how many of them do you think would have very bad problems with their HPTA and how many do you think would have very little problems, and what would those problems be?

i know i am asing a lot of questons, but i am very curious to see these answers.

Thanks alot.

[stevey_6t9]

You are still very young and dont think you should cycle.

Still once again 40mg of var will do very little

Shouldnt be running HCG through PCT only run through your cycle maybe low dose of 250iu per week.

PCT looks lil bit strong but i guess play it safe

As with your HTPA with every cycle possesses a real risk being permanently damaged regardless of what age you are.

[americanoak]

You are still very young and dont think you should cycle.

Still once again 40mg of var will do very little

Shouldnt be running HCG through PCT only run through your cycle maybe low dose of 250iu per week.

PCT looks lil bit strong but i guess play it safe

As with your HTPA with every cycle possesses a real risk being permanently damaged regardless of what age you are.

So, when people are fully developed, we will say they are 30, just to be safe, what type of permanent damage to your HPTA can happen? Is this much more unlikely than if someone my age were to do it?

What PCT would you recomend if the above is too strong?

[gunslinger2]

you are still very young and dont think you should cycle.

Still once again 40mg of var will do very little

shouldnt be running hcg through pct only run through your cycle maybe low dose of 250iu per week.

Pct looks lil bit strong but i guess play it safe

as with your htpa with every cycle possesses a real risk being permanently damaged regardless of what age you are.

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[marcus300]

There isnt a correct way to cycle at your age, you really need to sort your diet out and dont waste the high amount of natural test you have, it would be reckless to shutdown yoru system when your going through the highest amount of your lifetime

[americanoak]

for now i have my diet set out:

1800 calorie diet 45/35/20 split

45% Protein = 810 calories = 203 grams
35% Carbs = 630 calories = 158 grams
20% Fat = 360 calories = 40 grams
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Meal 1: (Breakfast)
1cup oats: 300cal 10p 54c 6f
2 egg whites: 34cal 8p 0c 0f
2 eggs: 160cal 14p 0c 10f
Total: 494cal 32p 54c 16f

Meal 2:
8oz chicken breast 260cal 48p 0c 4f
5oz sweet potato 150cal 5p 30c 0f
OR
4oz sweet potato 125cal 4p 24c 0f
3oz broccoli 25cal 3p 4c 0f
2x Fish Oil: 20cal 0p 0c 2f
Total: 430cal ~53p ~30c 6f

Pre Workout: (30-45 minutes before)
6oz sweet potato: 150cal 6p 36c 0f
Chicken Patty: 160cal 17p 1c 10f
Total: 310cal 23p 37c 10f

Post Workout:
1 1/2 scoops whey: 135cal 34p 0c 0f
2½ oz sweet potato 75cal 3p 15c 0f
Total: 210cal 37p 15c 0f

Meal 5: (45min-1hour after) take 2 fish oil
8oz chicken breast 260cal 48p 0c 4f
2½ oz sweet potato 75cal 3p 15c 0f
2x Fish Oil: 20cal 0p 0c 2f
Total: 355cal 51p 15c 6f

Meal 6:
½ cottage cheese 80cal 12p 8c 0f
Total: 80cal 12p 8c 0f

Totals: 1879cal ~205p 159c 40f

Its kinda low, but i have been eating low cal diet for... a long time, so my body is used to it. I am currently cutting, which is another reason its down there. Anyway, I had a thread on this is the diet section, so i wont rly og into it that much in this thread.

But, if everything was done 'correctly' or as correct a way someone could do it at my age, i use the hcg on cycle to keep test up a bit, i have my 'strong' PCT as everyone on here like to say, without giving me an example of a better one, what would you guess the outcome would be on my natty test lvls once PCT is done, and on my HPTA? Also, i dont want to use this as an excuse as to why I want to cycle, but I must point out many people have done cycles much larger than this and have been perfectly fine afterwards, i have even read about people on this board who ran test and other compounds in their early days w/o a pct even and they came out fine (obv partly luck), but with a cycle this mild, what, realistically, would be the answer to my questions above?

[marcus300]

There isnt a correct way to cycle at your age, your to young.

Your hormonal system hasnt fully developed yet and by shutting it down you could cause your self problems by your HPTA never getting to the levels it should be in your early 20's, no matter what pct you incorporate there is a risk of damage.

Use what you have naturally you have no idea what your doing to yourself, the cycle you have planned you could make the same gains naturally at your age.

[americanoak]

I understand 100% there is a risk, and after readng what everyone is saying I probably wont do the cycle, but I would still like to know, with a cycle this mild, what do you guys think the probability of doing some real harm to my HPTA actually is

[marcus300]

I understand 100% there is a risk, and after readng what everyone is saying I probably wont do the cycle, but I would still like to know, with a cycle this mild, what do you guys think the probability of doing some real harm to my HPTA actually is

I wouldnt say it would be a great deal to be honest but what I am saying is at your age you could re-design your diet and training program and you could have the exact same gains naturally as you would have on the above cycle. If you trained with me and eat similar to me you would grow far better than using that above cycle, so stop thinking your answer to your dreams is within a tablet or injection because its not, at your age its all within your diet.

[jordann]

HCG on an anavar cycle is a waste. Anavar will not shut you down hard, and just because "someone else" has been shut down on a low dose doesn't mean you will, by any means whatsoever. Some people are prone to gyno, does that mean you should also run letro, a-dex and nolva during your cycle, too? No. But you know what my point is.

Also, you said yourself you don't want to inject. HCG is injections. Be as it may with only a slin pin. Regardless, it's a subcutaneous injection.

My suggestion would be 50-60 mg/ED for 6 weeks. Nolva as PCT. You'll be lucky to gain 5lbs or so. But on 1800 calories a day, all you'll see is a few percent decrease in bodyfat and some vascularity...and an empty wallet.

[americanoak]

lol, I would love to train with you if i could haha unfortunetly the gym i go to there arent many big guys.. and i would have to say I am of the bigger ones. A couple guys have asked if i was juicing and 2 of them that asked were actually on a cycle, so a nice confidence booster, but always wondered how i'de look after a cycle lol. Oh well, I understand what everyone is saying and i know it is all true, kind of in an argument with the evl guy and the nice guy on my shoulders at the moment about this

[marcus300]

lol, I would love to train with you if i could haha unfortunetly the gym i go to there arent many big guys.. and i would have to say I am of the bigger ones. A couple guys have asked if i was juicing and 2 of them that asked were actually on a cycle, so a nice confidence booster, but always wondered how i'de look after a cycle lol. Oh well, I understand what everyone is saying and i know it is all true, kind of in an argument with the evl guy and the nice guy on my shoulders at the moment about this

You could gain the same without cycling if you sorted your diet out properly, also if your scared of injections AAS are really not for you, try changing your diet to suit your needs and change your training program around, i am sure that will produce some nice gains for you, best of luck

[americanoak]

HCG on an anavar cycle is a waste. Anavar will not shut you down hard, and just because "someone else" has been shut down on a low dose doesn't mean you will, by any means whatsoever. Some people are prone to gyno, does that mean you should also run letro, a-dex and nolva during your cycle, too? No. But you know what my point is.

Also, you said yourself you don't want to inject. HCG is injections. Be as it may with only a slin pin. Regardless, it's a subcutaneous injection.

My suggestion would be 50-60 mg/ED for 6 weeks. Nolva as PCT. You'll be lucky to gain 5lbs or so. But on 1800 calories a day, all you'll see is a few percent decrease in bodyfat and some vascularity...and an empty wallet.

I know HCg is injection, but i watched a few vids and the needle is like... nothing so i can deal with that. But the diet is rouhly 1900, it was supposed ot be 1800 but the macros didnt workout too well. It is also that low cause I am cutting, and if i did var i would def up it a bit, kind of like a clean semi bulk lose fat gain muslce ... thingamajig.. but i do like the sound of the loss of bf.. actually one of the main reasons i wanted to do it in the first place

[marcus300]

Say hello to Fireguy1, he is the best at diets on this board IMHO and he will direct you the correct way,

[americanoak]

You could gain the same without cycling if you sorted your diet out properly, also if your scared of injections AAS are really not for you, try changing your diet to suit your needs and change your training program around, i am sure that will produce some nice gains for you, best of luck

Im not scared of them.. but i know once i go into injections that is when i will rly start to do some good cycles, but i know for sure i will not be doing that for a couple more years, it is kind of a mental thing, but i chose var because i know it is extremly mild, and i am not looking for super huge gains. I was just very interested to see the outcome, but didnt want the risks to be greater than the reward, which is why i am asking so many questons

[americanoak]

Say hello to Fireguy1, he is the best at diets on this board IMHO and he will direct you the correct way,

I will def. give that a go too

[marcus300]

Im not scared of them.. but i know once i go into injections that is when i will rly start to do some good cycles, but i know for sure i will not be doing that for a couple more years, it is kind of a mental thing, but i chose var because i know it is extremly mild, and i am not looking for super huge gains. I was just very interested to see the outcome, but didnt want the risks to be greater than the reward, which is why i am asking so many questons

Well, I will say it again for the third time, if you only after a few lbs you can do that from your diet and natural testosterone,,,,give Fireguy1 a shout before you decide and let him go over your diet.

[jordann]

Weight gain on anavar is very mild. It does have fat burning properties.

Honestly, you'd have better results with upping your calories to 3,000 and supplementing with BCAA's and a thermogenic. If you want to gain weight you need to take in more calories than your body expends during the day. 1,800 is very restrictive for someone who is 185lbs. You should take in around 2,300.

[americanoak]

will do

[marcus300]

will do

Best of luck and let me know how you get on

[americanoak]

I will, thanks for all the good advice