transitioning from a cut to an AAS bulk?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I am finishing up a cutter off cycle to shed all my excess fat and keep my muscle. It is pretty much complete at this point. When I start my next cycle (test- and deca), how should I transition? The goal would be to eat 1,000 calories more eventually in order to gain muscle. At what point should I slowly increase and my cals and by how much? My cycle is short esthers so should I wait until week four to get to my calorie goal? And maybe slowly go up by like 200-300 calories every week until I get to that point?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

anyone?

[M302_Imola]

You def need to pyramid the calories up gradually in order to hold off excess water and fat. Everyone is different so what works for me might not work for you. I would up cals 200-300 every week or 2. Are you looking to lean bulk?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

yes I cant afford to gain much/any fat at all since the cycle will be in april and summer is coming up. I just want to gain more lean mass with this cycle. I was thinking 250 calorie increase every 7 days, in the form of mostly carbs

[M302_Imola]

A 250 cal weekly increase would be good. My last lean bulk, I gained 19 lbs and only went up in bf% 1-2%. I accomplished this by timing my carb intake...I would do 3 days in row low carbs (~150-200g) and then have a carb up (refeed) day where I ate around (400g) carbs. The low days I would have carbs for breakfast, pre, and pwo...the rest of the meals contained a lean protein and fat w/ some veggies. During the refeed day I ate carbs w/ protein in every meal except my last meal. It worked for me and I am going to try it again mid summer. The key is 3 low carb days in a row and then a refeed day, then repeat. I also had success saving my big muscle groups (back and legs) for my refeed days.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

A 250 cal weekly increase would be good. My last lean bulk, I gained 19 lbs and only went up in bf% 1-2%. I accomplished this by timing my carb intake...I would do 3 days in row low carbs (~150-200g) and then have a carb up (refeed) day where I ate around (400g) carbs. The low days I would have carbs for breakfast, pre, and pwo...the rest of the meals contained a lean protein and fat w/ some veggies. During the refeed day I ate carbs w/ protein in every meal except my last meal. It worked for me and I am going to try it again mid summer. The key is 3 low carb days in a row and then a refeed day, then repeat. I also had success saving my big muscle groups (back and legs) for my refeed days.

I like this idea. I have never done any sort of carb cycling before. What is your height and weight out of curiosity, so I can plan the amount of carbs if I do something similar?

[M302_Imola]

I like this idea. I have never done any sort of carb cycling before. What is your height and weight out of curiosity, so I can plan the amount of carbs if I do something similar?

currently 5'-10", 210 lbs @ 13% BF (just finished a bulk cycle). Last summer (when I ran this diet) I was 181 lbs @ 8-9% BF and ended my cycle at 200 lbs @ 10-11% BF. Note: I primed before this cycle, which is why I had great results. Marcus has a great thread on "the prime" if you are interested, try the search function.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

thanks I'll check it out. I really dont want to put on fat over the summer months at all

[M302_Imola]

thanks I'll check it out. I really dont want to put on fat over the summer months at all

good luck bro! Let me know if you have any further questions...the most important aspect is timing your carb intake.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

Ill be paying attention to this thread, I want to lean bulk while on AAS

[AlphaMaleDawg]

good luck bro! Let me know if you have any further questions...the most important aspect is timing your carb intake.

Ill be paying attention to this thread, I want to lean bulk while on AAS

alright fellas. I start the cycle on Sunday. I will try to keep you posted!

[LiftedDuramax2007]

alright fellas. I start the cycle on Sunday. I will try to keep you posted!

Let us know size of needle and where you pinned and your thoughts on it. Im curious as Ill be starting soon

[AlphaMaleDawg]

A 250 cal weekly increase would be good. My last lean bulk, I gained 19 lbs and only went up in bf% 1-2%. I accomplished this by timing my carb intake...I would do 3 days in row low carbs (~150-200g) and then have a carb up (refeed) day where I ate around (400g) carbs. The low days I would have carbs for breakfast, pre, and pwo...the rest of the meals contained a lean protein and fat w/ some veggies. During the refeed day I ate carbs w/ protein in every meal except my last meal. It worked for me and I am going to try it again mid summer. The key is 3 low carb days in a row and then a refeed day, then repeat. I also had success saving my big muscle groups (back and legs) for my refeed days.

btw, did your calories remain constant regardless of whether it was a high or low carb day? Meaning on low days, you make up for it by adding more protein and fats? And does it matter what day it is as far as your workout schedule goes? like do you make sure to work out on high carb days only or something?

[LiftedDuramax2007]

You still starting this sunday?

You mind posting up what a normal days diet is going to look like for you?

You and I are basically going for the same thing, Im just about 3 weeks behind you.

Im 6' 205lbs with another 10lbs to lose or so before I start but I have everything ready.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Let us know size of needle and where you pinned and your thoughts on it. Im curious as Ill be starting soon

I am going to do glutes but might experiment with delts sometimes. I forget the size of the needle for glutes but it's the correct one to use to hit that area. I think its 23.5 gauge maybe?

You still starting this sunday?

You mind posting up what a normal days diet is going to look like for you?

You and I are basically going for the same thing, Im just about 3 weeks behind you.

Im 6' 205lbs with another 10lbs to lose or so before I start but I have everything ready.

A week from sunday because I have to wait for my dbol and caber to arrive. I will post up my diet when I get home. I have it typed in microsoft word. gimme like a few hours. Let's keep each other posted

[LiftedDuramax2007]

Ok ill PM you mine tomorrow without whoring your thread

I may be starting tonight, I just got the rest of my stuff in the mail today. Nolva, clomid, pins, syringes and what not.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Ok ill PM you mine tomorrow without whoring your thread

I may be starting tonight, I just got the rest of my stuff in the mail today. Nolva, clomid, pins, syringes and what not.

lucky man. I cant take this waiting game. I am praying it comes in the mail next week so I can start on time

[AlphaMaleDawg]

My bulking diet (stats 5'8 3/4 182lbs probably 8-9% bf if I were to guess)

Meal 1
4 whole eggs (24 protein/4 carb/18 fat, 280 calories), 1 slice cheese (6/0/4.5, 70), 1 whole wheat bagel (10/49/2, 240), 1 small whole wheat bagel (5/22/1, 110), fish oil (0/0/4, 40)
45 protein/75 carbs/29.5 fat, 740 calories

Meal 2
1 chicken breast (32/0/1.5, 140), 2 tablespoons natural peanut butter (8/5/17, 200), ¾ cup oatmeal (7.5/40.5/4.5, 225)
47.5/45.5/23, 565 calories

Meal 3
1 chicken breast (32/0/1.5, 140), ¾ cup oatmeal (7.5/40.5/4.5, 225)
39.5/40.5/6, 365 calories

Meal 4 (pre-workout)
1 scoop whey protein (23/3/2, 122), 1 cup oatmeal (10/54/6, 300)
33/57/8, 422

Meal 5 (post workout)
2 scoops whey protein (46/6/4, 244), 2 scoops Perfect Carb (0/60/0, 240)
46/66/4, 484

Meal 6 (1 hour after post-workout)
1 chicken breast (32/0/1.5, 140), 1 ½ cups oatmeal (15/81/9, 450)
47/81/10.5, 590

Meal 7
1 scoop Ultra Peptide (23/2.5/1.5, 115), 2 tablespoons natural peanut butter (8/5/17, 200)
31/7.5/18.5, 315 calories

TOTAL: 289/367/99.5, 3,481 calories

on off days, I don't have my post workout shake but I do keep 1 scoop of whey from it and add it to meal 5. I have another diet typed up with more carb variety too (ww bread, brown rice instead of so many oats) that I will alternate with it. The oats I use are the Quaker quick 1 minute ones but I blend them

[LiftedDuramax2007]

Well you defintely take in more carbs than I do

Im roughly hitting 3,000cals a day 275gP/225gC/125gF

I love throwing down brown rice and quinoa with some steak or chicken.

Tomorrows breakfast will be 8oz of steak and probably a half cup of brown rice and quinoa mixed. Then 2 bags of oatmeal with 1 scoop of whey

You know what, Ill log what I eat tomorrow and post it up and we'll see if I fall short or eat more. With my appetite being the way it is I think Ill have to take more food than I normally do with me

[M302_Imola]

btw, did your calories remain constant regardless of whether it was a high or low carb day? Meaning on low days, you make up for it by adding more protein and fats? And does it matter what day it is as far as your workout schedule goes? like do you make sure to work out on high carb days only or something?

I like to keep my cals around 3000-3300 on low carb days and around 3500 on my refeed days. This is something that you are going to have to experiment w/ and findout how your body reacts. I try to save legs and back for my refeed days.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Well you defintely take in more carbs than I do

Im roughly hitting 3,000cals a day 275gP/225gC/125gF

I love throwing down brown rice and quinoa with some steak or chicken.

Tomorrows breakfast will be 8oz of steak and probably a half cup of brown rice and quinoa mixed. Then 2 bags of oatmeal with 1 scoop of whey

You know what, Ill log what I eat tomorrow and post it up and we'll see if I fall short or eat more. With my appetite being the way it is I think Ill have to take more food than I normally do with me

yea I feel like I need the carbs to put on size. Plus I love eating them. Right now I am eating less than what I posted as I am transitioning from a cut still. I should be using this diet in all its glory in about 2 weeks