S-4 During PCT LOG

[adam15425]

I have been a bit disappointed with S-4 so far. It didn't prevent strength loss during PCT at 16 mg/day (6 drops). I raised the dosage up to 10-12 drops (26-31 mg/day), but after 10 days, the effect is not much better. I am falling down, although only slowly, and not at all exercises. At the same time, Anavar can easily prevent strength loss at mere 10 mg/day in me.

Same here, although I am calorie restricted. I think it is a great addition to pct just not something to do as a standalone and to expect big things from. My strength is still there, lost a bit but that's expected after coming off 500mg test 400mg EQ a week. The strength loss just isn't as prominent as if I were doing pct without S4, so I think it is good to add in pct. Benching, I was repping 315 for 6-7, now I'm getting it for for 4. Keep in mind I am in contest prep so who knows, my strength may have stayed if I was in a caloric surplus. Biggest thing I noticed with S4 is the body recomp, I am harldy losing weight but 7 site skinfolds and the mirror say I'm losing bodyfat.

[Steroidman99]

Same here, although I am calorie restricted. I think it is a great addition to pct just not something to do as a standalone and to expect big things from. My strength is still there, lost a bit but that's expected after coming off 500mg test 400mg EQ a week. The strength loss just isn't as prominent as if I were doing pct without S4, so I think it is good to add in pct. Benching, I was repping 315 for 6-7, now I'm getting it for for 4. Keep in mind I am in contest prep so who knows, my strength may have stayed if I was in a caloric surplus. Biggest thing I noticed with S4 is the body recomp, I am harldy losing weight but 7 site skinfolds and the mirror say I'm losing bodyfat.

I must add that I don't use anything else than S-4. I don't want to take Nolvadex, because it is not too healthy, and furthermore, it didn't help me at all after my previous cycle (Winstrol for 8 weeks). It seems that if I run any steroid in high doses for more than 6 weeks, my testosterone levels are practically zero and Nolvadex is too weak an aid. I would like to order exemestane from China, but it's relatively expensive.

What is curious, however, that I made personal bests during the first two weeks of my PCT - only on 6 drops of S-4/day. I thought that the PCT with S-4 would be fine - which was not. Interestingly, the same happened after my previous cycle with Winstrol, when I started to run Nolvadex - I made personal bests during the 1st week post-cycle, but I subsequently crashed very quickly during the 2nd-3rd week.

I am just running my 4th week of PCT and although the strength/muscle loses are relatively mild, it's still annoying. Without S-4, I would certainly lose everything very quickly, because my testosterone was virtually non-existent after the cycle (I ran Anavar, 60-80 mg/day, for 8 weeks). However, although I was not naive, I secretly hoped that I would not lose anything and that I could even gain some decent strength during the PCT. Unfortunately, the applicator in the bottle was crappy and during the first two weeks I took much less S-4 than I had originally planned (ca. 25 mg/day). On Monday, I will again check my blood values of tesosterone, and this will be crucial for my decision, what to do with S-4 further.

Many guys report positive results when combining S-4 with Nolvadex. So I think I will try S-4 + exemestane after my next cycle.

[adam15425]

I must add that I don't use anything else than S-4. I don't want to take Nolvadex, because it is not too healthy, and furthermore, it didn't help me at all after my previous cycle (Winstrol for 8 weeks). It seems that if I run any steroid in high doses for more than 6 weeks, my testosterone levels are practically zero and Nolvadex is too weak an aid. I would like to order exemestane from China, but it's relatively expensive.

What is curious, however, that I made personal bests during the first two weeks of my PCT - only on 6 drops of S-4/day. I thought that the PCT with S-4 would be fine - which was not. Interestingly, the same happened after my previous cycle with Winstrol, when I started to run Nolvadex - I made personal bests during the 1st week post-cycle, but I subsequently crashed very quickly during the 2nd-3rd week.

I am just running my 4th week of PCT and although the strength/muscle loses are relatively mild, it's still annoying. Without S-4, I would certainly lose everything very quickly, because my testosterone was virtually non-existent after the cycle (I ran Anavar, 60-80 mg/day, for 8 weeks). However, although I was not naive, I secretly hoped that I would not lose anything and that I could even gain some decent strength during the PCT. Unfortunately, the applicator in the bottle was crappy and during the first two weeks I took much less S-4 than I had originally planned (ca. 25 mg/day). On Monday, I will again check my blood values of tesosterone, and this will be crucial for my decision, what to do with S-4 further.

Many guys report positive results when combining S-4 with Nolvadex. So I think I will try S-4 + exemestane after my next cycle.

It sounds as if your PCT approach is way off. Nolvadex only is a big no no in my book. At the very least run clomid. For anyone, I highly recommend HCG on cycle, it just makes pct a breeze. Throw in some aromasin if you want to be very thorough, but wacth as too much will drive estrogen levels into the ground. Any exogenous steroid even in the smallest amount is going to mess up the hpta and pretty much fully shut one down after 6 weeks, no ifs ands or buts about it. Your pct's from your previous cycles were horrible. Also, running S4 only pct is not so bright also IMO.

[Steroidman99]

It sounds as if your PCT approach is way off. Nolvadex only is a big no no in my book. At the very least run clomid. For anyone, I highly recommend HCG on cycle, it just makes pct a breeze. Throw in some aromasin if you want to be very thorough, but wacth as too much will drive estrogen levels into the ground. Any exogenous steroid even in the smallest amount is going to mess up the hpta and pretty much fully shut one down after 6 weeks, no ifs ands or buts about it. Your pct's from your previous cycles were horrible. Also, running S4 only pct is not so bright also IMO.

Based on my previous experience, I would say that Nolvadex is O.K., if I don't run the cycle for more than 6 weeks, and if I don't use high doses. As I already said elsewhere, everything must be tested at first. If my experiment with S-4 fails, then I will have to make up something else. I don't plan to use HCG yet, although I considered it very seriously last year, after my heavy crash. It would be certainly fine to run it during the cycle, but it would raise the overall androgenic sides to which I am highly sensitive. I have run only 3 solid cycles so far, and I would like to try simpler methods at first. Sure, a small dose of S-4 + any sort of testosterone booster would be the best combination.

I also suspect that I started to use a sh*tty sort of creatine just after my current cycle, instead of my reliable brand. This itself can markedly influence my performance. I normally wouldn't believe it, but I found out that there are marked differences in the quality of creatine on the market (at least in my country). I can take a certain brand and be O.K., then I start to take another brand - and my performance is suddenly falling down, I can't sustain usual training loads at all, and I feel completely exhausted. Subsequently I start to take the old good brand again, and within few days I feel O.K. I will see next week, if the change of creatine brand changes my performance.