Vatican Library, March 2010 the 20th (alone...)

[BJJ]

When I read it a second time it came across as more of an insult at you than at the Catholic Church.

I've no reason to insult you, I actually like reading your posts, especially the stuff about Anavar. be ready for the test susp then...

I harbour a lot of resentment for the Catholic Church but that's no reason for me to insult you.

I am glad you had the will and took the time to read again what you wrote but mostly the way.

Instrospection is a sign of intelligence.

[Flagg]

So evolution aside, what did you learn there BJJ?

Anything on the Devil? I ask because I watched a debate this morning on the existence of the devil, which made a nice change from people talking about the existence of God.

Anyways, did you read/learn about anything concerning that?

[stevey_6t9]

Said in avery easy way... yes, I know what evolution is.
The point here is, what you do not know about it since humans (as we are today) were living more than 3 millions here ago and there are many proofs of this, not only the skeletons which would be enough anyway, do not you think?

Families of primate apperard in the Pleistocene period as well as the archeological findings of the humans.
The point is we did not evolve from primate but colonized the planet with them.
The Homo Sapiens was already "wise" in the Pleistocene and if you had studied archaeology and anthropology you knew that there are many evidences of this facts in several excavations in the XIX and XX century.
Unfortunately, those scientists who did go against Darwin's theory (who had great connections with the Freemasonry, what a case!!!) lost their jobs when tried to divulge what found and some others simply disappeared.

I just spoke about the surface...

You seem to be a clever man so, do not let them fool you.

incorrect, homo sapiens only immersed 120 000 years ago. The homo 'genus' immersed 3 million years ago

[BJJ]

any mention of ancient accounts of alien encounters?

I found nothing about that, sorry.
In any case, it does not necessarily means it does not exist some sort of proof somewhere among those thousands of scripts.

oooo ok thanks. so who exactly can enter it? im interested if they have anything on alexander the great, or anythig around the time period. also the early days of the Holy Roman Empire.

I found two documents in regard of Alexander III of Macedon.
The first was a kind of map drew up in the XIII century with the extension of his empire, which included, differently from what we used to know, the actual Romania, Moldova and Ukraine.
The second was about his death, written in Ancient Macedonian with a Latin translation, and I presume was looking at a post-mortem examination. Well, it seems he died after having ingested a huge quantity of alcool in a very short period of time (forced to?). This infused his pancreas to almost liquefy and to pour its pancreatic juice into the abdominal cavity, perforating the intestine. After a few days of coma and after having had excruciating pains, he died.
Also, it was reported his organism was weak because of a malaria infection he took years before.
Also, he did not die in Babylon but in an unknown place.

Regarding The Roman Empire, there were so many things..., lol.
One amongst all is that Nero, Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, did not burn Rome!
I can go deeper if you are interested...

Stuff on martin luther would be cool or historical info on crusades.

The 1st January 1521 with the Papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, Leone X condemned Martin Luther to death with accusation of heresy.
This document was translated either in Latin and German and the seal of the Pope was still well visible.
Of course, the historical facts as we know them are different and apparently 2 days later the Pope signed a new Papal bull excommunicating Martin Luther; the known version.

Regarding the Crusades, there was a bunch of scripts but since I am not very knowledgeable on that topic, I could not start reading them all. I would have wasted too much time.
Sorry.

information on the the mormon religion by any chance in there?

I searched for some information but nothing was in there. Anyway, as stated before, I can tell you anything you want and make you, surely, unhappy.
So, think about before asking.

[BJJ]

So evolution aside, what did you learn there BJJ?

Anything on the Devil? I ask because I watched a debate this morning on the existence of the devil, which made a nice change from people talking about the existence of God.

Anyways, did you read/learn about anything concerning that?

No, sorry.

incorrect, homo sapiens only immersed 120 000 years ago. The homo 'genus' immersed 3 million years ago

[BJJ]

incorrect, homo sapiens only immersed 120 000 years ago. The homo 'genus' immersed 3 million years ago

You are right, I was incorrect since I looked at those documents again and they stated 3.6 millions, as the oldest skeleton.
Sorry.

[Hunter]

Very cool thanks Bjj.

[kalspic]

thats awesome bjj i have some research to do. you are one lucky fellow.

[stevey_6t9]

You are right, I was incorrect since I looked at those documents again and they stated 3.6 millions, as the oldest skeleton.
Sorry.

and that oldest skeleton was Australopithecus afarensis. ever heard of lucy?

[DCI]

Mad that you got in there to have a look at these pieces of sensitive information. How did you remember it all or where you allowed to take notes etc? Amazing that they left you in there at all and fair dues to you for even thinking about sharing it with people.

What was the most surprising piece of text you find?

[BJJ]

and that oldest skeleton was Australopithecus afarensis. ever heard of lucy?

Really?
How it comes then "he" was discovered in a location which today is England?
How it comes he was 190 cm tall? (6'2)
How it comes the other 4 skeletons are not shorter than 180 cm (5'9)?
How it comes all of the 5 skeletons have the same skull size and general proportions of ours today?
How it comes there were tools discovered around those bodies which could not be made if their brains were not developed as ours today?

Lucy?
I believe, if I recall correctly, you are only 18 years old.
So, you have plenty of time to study to open your eyes.

[Ernst]

BJJ, what are you talking about?

[BJJ]

BJJ, what are you talking about?

[Ernst]

I have never heard of this evidence you talk about of early man. Do you maybe have more specific information or some links you could share with me?

[BJJ]

Mad that you got in there to have a look at these pieces of sensitive information. How did you remember it all or where you allowed to take notes etc? Amazing that they left you in there at all and fair dues to you for even thinking about sharing it with people.

What was the most surprising piece of text you find?

Without taking into account the skeletons which I already knew about, I would say "Atlantis", which existed indeed.

[BJJ]

I have never heard of this evidence you talk about of early man. Do you maybe have more specific information or some links you could share with me?

The Hidden History of the Human Race

You may start from there even though those antropologists did not have the chance to study those bones, or, in the remote case they did, they did not mention any of them.
The famous place in the northern american continent, should preserve those evidences, at least this is what I have been told.

"It is my great pleasure and honor to introduce this abridged edition of Forbidden Archeology. Let me say at the outset that I believe this book to be one of the landmark intellectual achievements of the late twentieth century.
It will take more conservative scholars a long while, prbably many years, to come to terms with the revelations it contains. Nevertheless, Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson have put the revelations out there and the clock cannot now be turned back. Sooner or later, whether we like it or not, our species is going to have to come to terms with the facts that are so impressively documented in the pages that follow, and these facts are stunning.
Cremo and Thompson's central proposition is that the model of human prehistory, carefully built-up by scholars over the past two centuries, is sadly and completely wrong. Moreover, the authors are not proposing that it can be put right with minor tinkering and adjustments. What is needed is for the existing model to be thrown out the window and for us to start again with open minds and with absolutely no preconceptions at all.
This is a position that is close to my own heart; indeed it forms the basis of my book Fingerprints of the Gods. There, however, my focus was exclusively on the last 20,000 years and on the possibility that an advanced global civilization may have flourished more than 12,000 years ago only to be wiped out and forgotten in the great cataclysm that brought the last Ice Age to an end.
In The Hidden History of the Human Race Cremo and Thompson go much further, pushing back the horizons of our amnesia not just 12,000 or 20,000 years, but millions of years into the past, and showing that almost everything we have been taught to believe about the origins and evolution of our species rests on the shaky foundation of academic opinion, and on a highly selective sampling of research results. The two authors then set about putting the record straight by showing all the other research results that have been edited out of the record during the past two centuries, not because there was anything wrong or bogus about the results themselves, but simply because they did not fit with prevailing academic opinion.
Anomalous and out-of-place discoveries reported by Cremo and Thompson in The Hidden History of the Human Race include convincing evidence that anatomically modern humans may have been present on the Earth not just for 100,000 years or less (the orthodox view), but for millions of years, and that metal objects of advanced design may have been in use at equally early periods. Moreover, although sensational claims have been made before about out-of-place artifacts, they have never been supported by such overwhelming and utterly convincing documentation as Cremo and Thompson provide.
In the final analysis, it is the meticulous scholarship of the authors, and the cumulative weight of the facts presented in The Hidden History of the Human Race, that really convince. The book is, I believe, in harmony with the mood of the public at large in the world today, a mood which no longer unquestioningly accepts the pronouncements of established authorities, and is willing to listen with an open mind to heretics who make their case reasonably and rationally.
Never before has the case for a complete re-evaluation of the human story been made more reasonably and rationally than it is in these pages."

[Ernst]

Thanks. Checked into it and it looks interesting. I'll likely add it to my next book order.

[BJJ]

Thanks. Checked into it and it looks interesting. I'll likely add it to my next book order.

Good call.
Some archeological finds come from the palce where you are, California.

[stevey_6t9]

Really?
How it comes then "he" was discovered in a location which today is England?
How it comes he was 190 cm tall? (6'2)
How it comes the other 4 skeletons are not shorter than 180 cm (5'9)?
How it comes all of the 5 skeletons have the same skull size and general proportions of ours today?
How it comes there were tools discovered around those bodies which could not be made if their brains were not developed as ours today?

Lucy?
I believe, if I recall correctly, you are only 18 years old.
So, you have plenty of time to study to open your eyes.

why cant i find any sources about this discovery except from that book.

[BJJ]

why cant i find any sources about this discovery except from that book.

In that book you will not find anything about that discovery!
You will find, though, other information which supports those skeleton discoveries.

If you could find on internet what has been concealed to humanity for decades, there was no reason for me to start this thread and share what I came across. (anyway, I have the feeling I am wasting my time).

Nevertheless, if one is interesed, that book but not only, is a good starting point to understand the reasons which are behind one of the the biggest lie to humanity; the evolution of Darwin.

One, also needs to study deeply the Freemasonry to understand why Darwin was chosen to divulge such wrong information...

[.45Caliber]

Would you please tell us more about Atlantis? What did you read about it? etc...

[dsw222]

Would you please tell us more about Atlantis? What did you read about it? etc...

i also would love to hear more about what you have learned about Atlantis

we all appreciate your generous offer to share with us information that we most likely would never have access to in our lives

thank you

[kalspic]

Atlantis Atlantis Atlantis!!!!

[Mooseman33]

yeah BJJ, share with us about Atlantis....

[BJJ]

Would you please tell us more about Atlantis? What did you read about it? etc...

i also would love to hear more about what you have learned about Atlantis

we all appreciate your generous offer to share with us information that we most likely would never have access to in our lives

thank you

Atlantis Atlantis Atlantis!!!!

yeah BJJ, share with us about Atlantis....

Sorry guys I have been busy with work, plus I am preparing my test thread...
As soon as the thread is operative I will write what I read.

[kalspic]

how did you read all these old texts. this is one of my favorite threads so far. im adding this to things i want to do before i die list!!!

[BJJ]

^^^
To answer your question, not being able to understand almost any ancient languages, I could only read those translated in Latin (many) and those translated in German (thanks to A.H.), Italian and English. Many are also tranlsated in Russian ().

Regarding Atlantis, I found one map and one document of hundreds of pages.
The map was about a land just in front of Portugal, so huge it reached the Bermuda's island. The weird thing is, besides the map itself, the fact that it was not made by hand and its age was stated to be around 9700-8500 B.C. with radiocarbon dating. By looking at it, seemed printed out with a laser color printer even though the piece of "paper" was in a quite bad condition.
Also, it was not a papyrus (as we know it) nor a parchment and it could not be a simple paper sheet since at that time the writing was not available, neither were those writing materials.

The document had a similar dating evidence but the language used to write was unknown, as written in an English gloss.

Either the map and the document were discovered during the First WW in Italy.

Sum up your own conclusions.

[kalspic]

very interesting. trying not to get off topic to much, but how many langunages can you read/write?

[BJJ]

very interesting. trying not to get off topic to much, but how many langunages can you read/write?

Italian, Spanish, German and Latin.

[kalspic]

damn thats impressive. seeing as how you were and are around the vatican, do you know how many languages the pope can speak?

[BJJ]

damn thats impressive. seeing as how you were and are around the vatican, do you know how many languages the pope can speak?

As far as I am concerned he can speak and read Italian, Latin, Greek, English, French, Spanish and of course German.

[TheCamel]

PLEASE NOTE:

Whatever i write in this thread is for entertainment purposes only.

__________________________________________________ _________________________________

Perhaps many of you are unaware that The Vatican Library is closed to the public access since July 2007, due to structural problems.

I had once a chance to visit that place going also in the forbidden area.
Unfortunately, I was too young to take that occasion on my advantage completely and a part some interesting and unsaid news I came accross, I did not know what to search.

Now, luck has giving me a second chance but probably the last because the Cardinal Legate (legatus a latere) who will help me accessing is very old...

However, I know now what to look for to confirm many studies I have "perpetrated" on my own during these years.

So, besides sharing this news with those who know what I am talking about, I wanted to offer you a chance to know things which, otherwise, you will never know or come accross in your life.
If you want to know something, just ask me and I will be pleased to read for you.

Let's name it as a gift for the forum who helped me a lot so far.

I found nothing about that, sorry.
In any case, it does not necessarily means it does not exist some sort of proof somewhere among those thousands of scripts.



I found two documents in regard of Alexander III of Macedon.
The first was a kind of map drew up in the XIII century with the extension of his empire, which included, differently from what we used to know, the actual Romania, Moldova and Ukraine.
The second was about his death, written in Ancient Macedonian with a Latin translation, and I presume was looking at a post-mortem examination. Well, it seems he died after having ingested a huge quantity of alcool in a very short period of time (forced to?). This infused his pancreas to almost liquefy and to pour its pancreatic juice into the abdominal cavity, perforating the intestine. After a few days of coma and after having had excruciating pains, he died.
Also, it was reported his organism was weak because of a malaria infection he took years before.
Also, he did not die in Babylon but in an unknown place.

Regarding The Roman Empire, there were so many things..., lol.
One amongst all is that Nero, Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, did not burn Rome!
I can go deeper if you are interested...




The 1st January 1521 with the Papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, Leone X condemned Martin Luther to death with accusation of heresy.
This document was translated either in Latin and German and the seal of the Pope was still well visible.
Of course, the historical facts as we know them are different and apparently 2 days later the Pope signed a new Papal bull excommunicating Martin Luther; the known version.

Regarding the Crusades, there was a bunch of scripts but since I am not very knowledgeable on that topic, I could not start reading them all. I would have wasted too much time.
Sorry.




I searched for some information but nothing was in there. Anyway, as stated before, I can tell you anything you want and make you, surely, unhappy.
So, think about before asking.

Really?
How it comes then "he" was discovered in a location which today is England?
How it comes he was 190 cm tall? (6'2)
How it comes the other 4 skeletons are not shorter than 180 cm (5'9)?
How it comes all of the 5 skeletons have the same skull size and general proportions of ours today?
How it comes there were tools discovered around those bodies which could not be made if their brains were not developed as ours today?

Lucy?
I believe, if I recall correctly, you are only 18 years old.
So, you have plenty of time to study to open your eyes.

The Hidden History of the Human Race

You may start from there even though those antropologists did not have the chance to study those bones, or, in the remote case they did, they did not mention any of them.
The famous place in the northern american continent, should preserve those evidences, at least this is what I have been told.

"It is my great pleasure and honor to introduce this abridged edition of Forbidden Archeology. Let me say at the outset that I believe this book to be one of the landmark intellectual achievements of the late twentieth century.
It will take more conservative scholars a long while, prbably many years, to come to terms with the revelations it contains. Nevertheless, Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson have put the revelations out there and the clock cannot now be turned back. Sooner or later, whether we like it or not, our species is going to have to come to terms with the facts that are so impressively documented in the pages that follow, and these facts are stunning.
Cremo and Thompson's central proposition is that the model of human prehistory, carefully built-up by scholars over the past two centuries, is sadly and completely wrong. Moreover, the authors are not proposing that it can be put right with minor tinkering and adjustments. What is needed is for the existing model to be thrown out the window and for us to start again with open minds and with absolutely no preconceptions at all.
This is a position that is close to my own heart; indeed it forms the basis of my book Fingerprints of the Gods. There, however, my focus was exclusively on the last 20,000 years and on the possibility that an advanced global civilization may have flourished more than 12,000 years ago only to be wiped out and forgotten in the great cataclysm that brought the last Ice Age to an end.
In The Hidden History of the Human Race Cremo and Thompson go much further, pushing back the horizons of our amnesia not just 12,000 or 20,000 years, but millions of years into the past, and showing that almost everything we have been taught to believe about the origins and evolution of our species rests on the shaky foundation of academic opinion, and on a highly selective sampling of research results. The two authors then set about putting the record straight by showing all the other research results that have been edited out of the record during the past two centuries, not because there was anything wrong or bogus about the results themselves, but simply because they did not fit with prevailing academic opinion.
Anomalous and out-of-place discoveries reported by Cremo and Thompson in The Hidden History of the Human Race include convincing evidence that anatomically modern humans may have been present on the Earth not just for 100,000 years or less (the orthodox view), but for millions of years, and that metal objects of advanced design may have been in use at equally early periods. Moreover, although sensational claims have been made before about out-of-place artifacts, they have never been supported by such overwhelming and utterly convincing documentation as Cremo and Thompson provide.
In the final analysis, it is the meticulous scholarship of the authors, and the cumulative weight of the facts presented in The Hidden History of the Human Race, that really convince. The book is, I believe, in harmony with the mood of the public at large in the world today, a mood which no longer unquestioningly accepts the pronouncements of established authorities, and is willing to listen with an open mind to heretics who make their case reasonably and rationally.
Never before has the case for a complete re-evaluation of the human story been made more reasonably and rationally than it is in these pages."

In that book you will not find anything about that discovery!
You will find, though, other information which supports those skeleton discoveries.

If you could find on internet what has been concealed to humanity for decades, there was no reason for me to start this thread and share what I came across. (anyway, I have the feeling I am wasting my time).

Nevertheless, if one is interesed, that book but not only, is a good starting point to understand the reasons which are behind one of the the biggest lie to humanity; the evolution of Darwin.

One, also needs to study deeply the Freemasonry to understand why Darwin was chosen to divulge such wrong information...

^^^
To answer your question, not being able to understand almost any ancient languages, I could only read those translated in Latin (many) and those translated in German (thanks to A.H.), Italian and English. Many are also tranlsated in Russian ().

Regarding Atlantis, I found one map and one document of hundreds of pages.
The map was about a land just in front of Portugal, so huge it reached the Bermuda's island. The weird thing is, besides the map itself, the fact that it was not made by hand and its age was stated to be around 9700-8500 B.C. with radiocarbon dating. By looking at it, seemed printed out with a laser color printer even though the piece of "paper" was in a quite bad condition.
Also, it was not a papyrus (as we know it) nor a parchment and it could not be a simple paper sheet since at that time the writing was not available, neither were those writing materials.

The document had a similar dating evidence but the language used to write was unknown, as written in an English gloss.

Either the map and the document were discovered during the First WW in Italy.

Sum up your own conclusions.

look with all the respect i start to doubt you're even a human being!!! i mean first your test susp cycle with more than 200 pins than all the data you posted about your blood work and pictures of your scanned body, then i came accross this crazy thread where you reveal hidden or lost (i do not understand the difference anymore) information about the human race... even though i was astonished by reading the atlantis staff.

really lol, who the fvck are you and what are you trying to do in this place?

you say you are italian but i doubt you are, too strange to say the least, to weird.

ho letto in un thread precedente che non riesco più a trovare che tu saresti un romano che vive a roma.
se è vero, cosa mi dici della recente scomparsa di un attore per incidente di paracadute?

[TheCamel]

Forgot to say I also was once in that library when I was a student.
However, I didn't see any mention to the "forbidden sector" you talk about.
Is that a huge BS, lol?

[Mr.Rose]

BJJ, when you are talking about evolution, you are referring to humans, yes? Not other animals, because there are evidence for other animals, for example we have the complete fossil evolution data for the horse. But for humans, i too am unsure. I was intrigued by one thing though, at around 3mil years ago, there were a few species of humans (i say humans, but you know what i mean) at the time, which basically competed for survival with each other.

Let me know what you think.

Also BJJ, are you a religious man? Roman Catholic? Not flaming, just wondering.

[Mr.Rose]

ho letto in un thread precedente che non riesco più a trovare che tu saresti un romano che vive a roma.
se è vero, cosa mi dici della recente scomparsa di un attore per incidente di paracadute?

I'm not even from Italy and i know about the big brother guy dieing in the parachute accident.

Why are you poking a stick at BJJ?

[Dizz28]

......

I just saw this thread today... I'm going to refrain from saying anything in here. I don't want to disturb the peace.

*closes thread out... returns to lounge*

[TheCamel]

I'm not even from Italy and i know about the big brother guy dieing in the parachute accident.

Why are you poking a stick at BJJ?

I don't intend to poke any stick at anyone, just trying to understand who this guy is...

Comes from Rome but seems not to be for the Vatican...
Speaks about Darwin but doesn't believe in evolution...
Talks of secret areas in the library but nobody knows anything about them...
He has a friend who is a bishop but he is not for the Christianity...
Not to mention his crazy threads about 200 injections in 80 days and so on...

Know what I mean?
I am also Italian but such a person to be for real should be very powerful, with connections I mean because especially in Italy are very important, or to be a IMPOSTORE!!!

Which one are you, BJJ?

......

I just saw this thread today... I'm going to refrain from saying anything in here. I don't want to disturb the peace.

*closes thread out... returns to lounge*

Are you talking to me, lol?

[Dizz28]

Are you talking to me, lol?

what makes you think I'm talking to you in specific?

[D7M]

Talks of secret areas in the library but nobody knows anything about them...

there's definitely, definitely a secret area of the Vatican Library....

[TheCamel]

there's definitely, definitely a secret area of the Vatican Library....

how do you know?
have you been there yourself?