Obama on healthcare bill

[lovbyts]

According to whom?

What the US considers preventative care is not really preventative. In the US we mostly treat symptoms and not the problem. That's why 90% of people who take Viagra know nothing about HRT/TRT testosterone levels and have no idea why they have libido issues along with many other health issues that they just associate with getting older. Most doctors are only pill pushers for the pharmacies.

Ill bet anyone that in 10 years the one trillion will be 2+ trillion. Like I said/asked; when in the history of the US has the government, congress, state ever kept on budget? Whey have they ever said something will cost XXX $ and it has come in at that price or lower? It has always been 2x or more.

[JDawg1536]

What the US considers preventative care is not really preventative. In the US we mostly treat symptoms and not the problem. That's why 90% of people who take Viagra know nothing about HRT/TRT testosterone levels and have no idea why they have libido issues along with many other health issues that they just associate with getting older. Most doctors are only pill pushers for the pharmacies.

Huh?

[lovbyts]

Huh?

What dont you get? Most doctors in the US do not really try to prevent you from being sick or if you are sick dont really try to find a cure. They give you prescriptions that mask the problems instead of looking for the underlying cause.

Examples
You have high cholesterol. Take a pill. You have high blood pressure, take a pill. You have erectile problems, take a blue pill. All these pills lead to other problems most of the time (side effects).

They rarely do real blood work on people or check for hormonal problems or give real diet/life style change advise.

[thegodfather]

What dont you get? Most doctors in the US do not really try to prevent you from being sick or if you are sick dont really try to find a cure. They give you prescriptions that mask the problems instead of looking for the underlying cause.

Examples
You have high cholesterol. Take a pill. You have high blood pressure, take a pill. You have erectile problems, take a blue pill. All these pills lead to other problems most of the time (side effects).

They rarely do real blood work on people or check for hormonal problems or give real diet/life style change advise.

This is outright false bro. Health care providers are forced to give these people pills in order to lower cholesterol, or other ailments, because the patients are unwilling to change their lifestyle.

You will not meet one doctor who will just indiscriminately hand out Lipitor or Crestor to a patient, without first telling them... Look Lovbyts, your cholesterol is very high, you need to make major changes to your diet, you need to stop smoking, you need to cut down or eliminate sodium from your diet, and you need to start an exercise program. How many patients listen to this advice? None. Doctors will offer to refer these patients to a dietitian/nutritionist, and 90% of the time the patients do not give a flying shit.

So while you may find these drugs unfavorable, they are a necessary evil and offer people a chance at a longer life who otherwise would not have it. The doctor has 15-30 minutes with the patient to evaluate his/her condition, and make a recommendation, prescribe a medication, or make a referral. It is up to the patient with the other 23 hours and 30 minutes of that day, and the rest of their lives, to make the changes necessary to fix their high cholesterol. Many of the most prevalent diseases with the highest mortality rates are related to LIFESTYLE choices. These drugs are not needed for the people who make the right choices, and decide to modify their poor lifestyles. However, there is a reason that the United States is one of the most obese countries in the world, people are lazy, they eat fast food, and they treat their bodies like shit. I really don't have much sympathy for those people, but these medications DO help them.

You state that they don't "cure" anything. Well, there really isn't a cure for laziness and not caring about your body. The doctor does the BEST they can with what they have. So if the patient insists on going down their road of poor lifestyle choices, then Crestor or Lipitor offers them a good shot at reducing their risk of CHF.

[JDawg1536]

What dont you get? Most doctors in the US do not really try to prevent you from being sick or if you are sick dont really try to find a cure. They give you prescriptions that mask the problems instead of looking for the underlying cause.

Examples
You have high cholesterol. Take a pill. You have high blood pressure, take a pill. You have erectile problems, take a blue pill. All these pills lead to other problems most of the time (side effects).

They rarely do real blood work on people or check for hormonal problems or give real diet/life style change advise.

I don't get how you can say something so ridiculous.

Hell, I had blood work done and received diet/lifestyle advice from a doctor at the "socialist" VA hospital.

[lovbyts]

I don't get how you can say something so ridiculous.

Hell, I had blood work done and received diet/lifestyle advice from a doctor at the "socialist" VA hospital.

That is the exception, not the rule. You need to open your eyes to what is going on around you, not just your own personal experience. That is the problem, most people can only see life as what is happening to them and ignore everything else around them.

[thegodfather]

What the US considers preventative care is not really preventative. In the US we mostly treat symptoms and not the problem. That's why 90% of people who take Viagra know nothing about HRT/TRT testosterone levels and have no idea why they have libido issues along with many other health issues that they just associate with getting older. Most doctors are only pill pushers for the pharmacies.

On one hand I agree with this statement. However, you are not a doctor so you are not aware of the considerations that go into these decisions. Many elderly patients use Viagra, and many of them have lipid profiles which are already compromised, many are already hypertensive, and they are at a much higher risk for an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer. This makes them very poor candidates for Testosterone therapy, which can negatively effect their HDL/LDL, increase their blood pressure, which if they are ALREADY hypertensive could increase their risk of stroke, myocardial infarction, and other cardiac related incidences. The increased level of DHT in their systems can increase their PSA astronomically, putting them at a much higher risk of prostate cancer. So you see there are very complex decisions that go into these things that the average person wouldn't think about. This is one case where a band-aid really does fix the problem.

It's also kind of contradictory to say that these doctors are just pushing drugs because they hand out Viagra, but in the same sentence recommend that the patient be put on TRT. So, hand out one drug instead of another? How does that make them any less of a drug pusher?


Ill bet anyone that in 10 years the one trillion will be 2+ trillion. Like I said/asked; when in the history of the US has the government, congress, state ever kept on budget? Whey have they ever said something will cost XXX $ and it has come in at that price or lower? It has always been 2x or more.

This is absolutely true. They are trying to use the 'non partisan' CBO figures to say that this plan is going to save X amount of dollars. The government is notorious for under-estimating the cost of things. Furthermore, bills get amended several times before they get passed, and pork always finds its way into the bill. We have 70 trillion dollars in unfunded entitlements by the year 2050, from Medicare/Medicaid alone. That means 70 trillion dollars and we have no idea where the money is even going to come from. And that is not including the new numbers of people who are going to be covered under this 'public option'.

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[lovbyts]

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I agree with your statements in bold. Im saying though before a lot of those OLDER patients got to that point they could have probably been helped maybe not only with Test but many other things and the proper test.