Mooseman, I'm not a big fan of this bill either. Don't get me wrong. But like I said before I'm on the opposite side of the coin. I see no problem with a government health care option. The key word being option.

I don't think I'm blind, Kratos. Maybe I'm being hopelessly optimistic. Maybe I don't buy into the whole conspiracy theory that you buy into that Obama's this grand dragon of the communist party and in 4-8yrs we will be a communist state. I've seen my premiums go up every year since I became successful... and for what? Profits for the insurance companies. I, unlike you, have no problem having my premiums go up if its for something and not to line someone else's pockets.

If you think its a stepping stone to world domination. Fine...I guess we all have to take a wait and see approach. We'll see especially considering the bulk of this bill won't take effect until 2014.

As far as immigration reform is concerned. Its another 'hot button' issue that the right is using fearmongering to push their agenda. Like healthcare, something needs to be done and deporting all those people is not only impossible but if it was, it would be much more costly than some type of pathway to legal status. I'm sure the bill they come up with won't be what I want, but at least, like healthcare, something is going to get done. The right has yet to come up with any serious, passable, legislation on either issue. Again the key words in the last statement being serious and passable.

Look, I understand everyone's frustration. Mooseman and Kratos, you know my background. But for those who don't, here it is, I went to high school in West Texas (father was stationed at Fort Bliss, Tx), I attended the Univ. of New Mexico on a football scholarship. I played my professional football in Arizona and N. California. Now I live in Las Vegas, NV. So I've seen the direct impact of both these issues most of my life. Doing nothing, IMO, has led to all the problems we have. I am a fan of Obama, for one reason...he's working on these issues. Do I agree with him at every turn? NO!! But, I absolutely don't agree with the alternatives presented by the right.