Looking for tips on first TREN ACE cycle

[taiboxa]

Hmm...

Here is your typical line up for an aggressive cycle such as tren

Tren Ace - must be injected every day
Test prop - must be injected every day
Masteron prop - must be injected every day
sterile oil - must be injected every day to reduce pain from highly concentrated gear
Arimidex - every day
Caber - On hand to use if necessary.
Clenbuterol - On and off cycling
Human chorionic gonadotropin - subcutaneous injections worked in during cycle or maybe near end.
tamoxifen citrate - every day during pct
clomiphene - every day


You are in way over your head with trenbolone bro.

i would never run any ancillaries w/ tren unless the individual is known to have that specific side where an AI is needed.. and i WOULD never run HCG w/ tren.. since HCG increases aromitization and tren has an insane affinity for the progest recepts.. thats like..a bad idea. that is also why i preach to people to run test lower than usual w/ tren rather than trying to rely on ancillaries such as caber/bromo and AI's ..

[MMAngry]

i would never run any ancillaries w/ tren unless the individual is known to have that specific side where an AI is needed.. and i WOULD never run HCG w/ tren.. since HCG increases aromitization and tren has an insane affinity for the progest recepts.. thats like..a bad idea. that is also why i preach to people to run test lower than usual w/ tren rather than trying to rely on ancillaries such as caber/bromo and AI's ..

nice thanks... i want to try to minimize injections. nothing set in stone, i need to hear back about concentrations. but I'm thinking: tren/test prop/mast prop daily. I will do small injections based on concentration, lets say 25 cc Tren to start. I'll do this for around 6 weeks. What kind of counts (like how much) should I be looking at for testosterone and masteron prop? If you don't mind me asking...

I'm not really following you guys on the "ancillaries" debate. Do you think I will be OK with what I said above and then a PCT regimen?

[taiboxa]

nice thanks... i want to try to minimize injections. nothing set in stone, i need to hear back about concentrations. but I'm thinking: tren/test prop/mast prop daily. I will do small injections based on concentration, lets say 25 cc Tren to start. I'll do this for around 6 weeks. What kind of counts (like how much) should I be looking at for testosterone and masteron prop? If you don't mind me asking...

I'm not really following you guys on the "ancillaries" debate. Do you think I will be OK with what I said above and then a PCT regimen?

you need to STOP ASKING QUESTIONS and start RESEARCHING via SEARCH BUTTON.. you are asking elementary questions that most NOOBS can answer.. your no where near ready.. you have ALOT OF reading to do before you even look at a syringe..
start in the educational section first.. read all you can.. get a basis of the following
Esters
SERMS
AI's
nors
dhts
testosterone
halflife/active life
proper run duration for each hormone as well as DOSAGES and Administration times

then after you acquire a BASIC KNOWLEDGE of exogenous hormones and proper usage .. compile a proper cycle.. and lay it and post it up for it to be critiqued .. until then you need to stop posting n' start reading

[zaneisgreat]

t I'm thinking: tren/test prop/mast prop daily.

You don't have to do the exact cycle that i outlined although masteron would be an excellent addition to your cycle. Because the Trenbolone used for cycles is almost all strictly created under ground labs, many sources just blend masteron in when they "cook up" their tren. A trenbolone cycle with a bit of testosterone would do wonders alone.

I will do small injections based on concentration, lets say 25 cc Tren to start.

Work a little on your dimensional analysis. If you saw 25cc of gear/oil in a syringe, you would know immediately that you can't inject even 1/3 of that quantity.

I'm not really following you guys on the "ancillaries" debate. Do you think I will be OK with what I said above and then a PCT regimen?

ancillaries, for the most part, are things that you want to run during the cycle to combat side effects.

I suggested and aromatase inhibitor (arimidex) because you are taking testosterone. Depending on how your body deals with estrogen, you might not need to actually take the AI but you should still have it on hand. AIs like arimidex are administered orally.... people make their own now so it is almost always liquid form nowadays because buying the actual drugs made by the pharmaceutical company is expensive... making them almost unavailable to us. I run low dose arimidex on tren cycles still because i am prone to gyno. I had surgery to remove gyno in the past and have never had any signs of gyno again but i'd rather be safe than sorry so i run very low dose AI every day to offset lowdose exogenous testosterone... even if I throw in masteron/proviron.

Caber should be kept on hand too imo but not necessarily administered unless necessary.

Not to parrot what tai said but HCG is particularly touchy when on tren. People that cycle use HCG at different points in their cycles.... it varies person to person but HCG should probably only be considered around gear cessation or clipping PCT time while on tren. PCT will already be helping get your body back to normal but HCG could facilitate/expedite things even when used that late. To be honest, HCG is something that could absolutely be scrapped for your particular cycle...... or for most cycles even. It can also be nice to throw in though.

[Bonaparte]

masteron would be an excellent addition to your cycle. Because the Trenbolone used for cycles is almost all strictly created under ground labs, many sources just blend masteron in when they "cook up" their tren.

Why do you think this? What would be the point? Masteron raws are not much cheaper than Tren, and it provides much less bang for the buck. Spiking mast with Tren would make much more sense.

[MMAngry]

Work a little on your dimensional analysis. If you saw 25cc of gear/oil in a syringe, you would know immediately that you can't inject even 1/3 of that quantity.

Got my numbers jumbled - I meant .25 cc. I want to start small. I'm reading about Test right now. What kind of Tren:Test ratio do you consider?

Thanks for the post.

[zaneisgreat]

What kind of Tren:Test ratio do you consider?

about 1:1 give or take.... although not usually more test than tren because the tren will be the impetus to most of your gains - more test isn't necessary.

[MMAngry]

about 1:1 give or take.... although not usually more test than tren because the tren will be the impetus to most of your gains - more test isn't necessary.

Go to know.

I saw in the other thread you recommend 23's for Test Prop.. I have 22's... would you order 23's for Test and use 22's for Tren? Do you think I can get away with using 22's for both?

[zaneisgreat]

Go to know.

I saw in the other thread you recommend 23's for Test Prop.. I have 22's... would you order 23's for Test and use 22's for Tren? Do you think I can get away with using 22's for both?

Yeah 22's will be A-OK. They are just a tiny bit wider, meaning slightly more tissue damage + pain.

You draw both of the substances from their vials and put into one syringe btw.... I suppose you could do two injections if you want but it doesn't make sense.