27 yrs old w/108 test levels...HRT Im coming!

[aer_vlad]

The fact that you're 33% BF doesn't necessitate what you eat, but primarily how much you eat. If you eat 2100 kcals/day, I find your high body fat suspicious: 1) your calorie counting is wrong or 2) you're not 33% BF - probably the latter.

BTW, I'm not here to post some e-stats in hopes of raising my ego.

Have you had a cortisol stim test? You might be suffering from some sort of adrenal fatigue (often paired with hypothyroid).

[ollerroc11]

The fact that you're 33% BF doesn't necessitate what you eat, but primarily how much you eat. If you eat 2100 kcals/day, I find your high body fat suspicious: 1) your calorie counting is wrong or 2) you're not 33% BF - probably the latter.

BTW, I'm not here to post some e-stats in hopes of raising my ego.

Have you had a cortisol stim test? You might be suffering from some sort of adrenal fatigue (often paired with hypothyroid).

Vlad,

I appreciate your input, but I am not new to the game of lifting and dieting. Not my first rodeo. I understand how to count calories, as I could sit here and tell you each calorie that is in what I eat. It is 2100 day. Im not looking to raise my ego, Im just telling you again, I am not a newbie in the world of training, and by you assuming I dont know how to count calories, doesnt strike my fancy. Hydrostatic testing, pinch test and Electro testing all put me above 30%. The highest was 33% via underwater testing.

To answer your question, no, I have not had a cortisol stim test.

I dont mean to be a smart ass, but I am wanting to perform at the highest level at the gym, and it is beyond aggrivating when people assume I eat ho ho's or twinkies, or my portion size is off. My group of guys I train with all know who I am and what I am about. I know what goes into my body, and I know how hard I train. I wouldn't be so worries if my diet was off or I didnt exercise like I should, but that isnt the case.

Something is going on that is hindering the gains & losses in the gym...I do appreciate the thought on the adrenal though, interesting.

[aer_vlad]

Vlad,

I appreciate your input, but I am not new to the game of lifting and dieting. Not my first rodeo. I understand how to count calories, as I could sit here and tell you each calorie that is in what I eat. It is 2100 day. Im not looking to raise my ego, Im just telling you again, I am not a newbie in the world of training, and by you assuming I dont know how to count calories, doesnt strike my fancy. Hydrostatic testing, pinch test and Electro testing all put me above 30%. The highest was 33% via underwater testing.

To answer your question, no, I have not had a cortisol stim test.

I dont mean to be a smart ass, but I am wanting to perform at the highest level at the gym, and it is beyond aggrivating when people assume I eat ho ho's or twinkies, or my portion size is off. My group of guys I train with all know who I am and what I am about. I know what goes into my body, and I know how hard I train. I wouldn't be so worries if my diet was off or I didnt exercise like I should, but that isnt the case.

Something is going on that is hindering the gains & losses in the gym...I do appreciate the thought on the adrenal though, interesting.

I never said you ate Ho Ho's and Twinkies - you can certainly get fat by eating chicken, rice, and almonds (Calories in vs. Calories out). Why do you feel the need to keep validating yourself?

If your concerned about "perform[ing] at the highest level at the gym," I suggest you lose weight. Insulin resistance (increased resistin) decreases protein synthesis and lipolysis, not to mention hormonal imbalances. You realize 25%+ BF constitutes obesity? Hell, weight loss should be important just for overall health purposes.

[ollerroc11]

I never said you ate Ho Ho's and Twinkies - you can certainly get fat by eating chicken, rice, and almonds (Calories in vs. Calories out). Why do you feel the need to keep validating yourself?

If your concerned about "perform[ing] at the highest level at the gym," I suggest you lose weight. Insulin resistance (increased resistin) decreases protein synthesis and lipolysis, not to mention hormonal imbalances. You realize 25%+ BF constitutes obesity? Hell, weight loss should be important just for overall health purposes.

It seems like in the argument, I know you are but what am I... Heres the thing Vlad, I didnt say you said I eat that stuff, nor really do I care. If I validated, so be it. Maybe my self esteem is SO low I need to do that.

I understand about calories in and calories out...Your suggestion about losing weight is probably the best advice I have heard yet. Seriously, I came on this board to talk about HRT and TRT, and wanted to post my diet. I dont care too much about your thoughts on the diet. The guy that has my best interest in mind, and considering his prereqs, I think Im ok. 25% is obese, so is my BMI. I dont die on the treadmill running, can do a 5k without needing oxygen.

Unless you can post something relevant about HRT or TRT, I truly could give a rats ass about your thoughts and opinions. The bottom line is: My lbm is still pretty good, being over 220. I have weight to lose, no shit. I didnt want to gain it like I did, but I am still happy with my gym routine and how things are going. Thanks for the headsup about the obese thing

[aer_vlad]

It seems like in the argument, I know you are but what am I... Heres the thing Vlad, I didnt say you said I eat that stuff, nor really do I care. If I validated, so be it. Maybe my self esteem is SO low I need to do that.

I understand about calories in and calories out...Your suggestion about losing weight is probably the best advice I have heard yet. Seriously, I came on this board to talk about HRT and TRT, and wanted to post my diet. I dont care too much about your thoughts on the diet. The guy that has my best interest in mind, and considering his prereqs, I think Im ok. 25% is obese, so is my BMI. I dont die on the treadmill running, can do a 5k without needing oxygen.

Unless you can post something relevant about HRT or TRT, I truly could give a rats ass about your thoughts and opinions. The bottom line is: My lbm is still pretty good, being over 220. I have weight to lose, no shit. I didnt want to gain it like I did, but I am still happy with my gym routine and how things are going. Thanks for the headsup about the obese thing

I'm just sayin' losing weight may help your natural levels of testosterone. HRT is infinite in nature. In other words, you're committed for life. I'd rather avoid HRT after exhausting all other options - but that's my opinion. Each to his own.

Your thyroid is fairly high though. T3 levels, assuming you posted in mcg/dL, are venturing towards overactive thyroid. T4 is only on the upper end, which is odd with high T3 and 75mcg of levothyroxine. Have you tried Amour (natural T3/T4 medication)?

[Vettester]

One concern that I have will be the E2 conversion isue you might face while on TRT. The current BF status will be prone for higher E2 levels. The TRT will definitely enhance this process. Would suggest just having your plan put together to address this subject when you're TRT is in place.

Love your ferritin levels at 13. Mine are down in the 700's now, used to be 1,500.

[ollerroc11]

I'm just sayin' losing weight may help your natural levels of testosterone. HRT is infinite in nature. In other words, you're committed for life. I'd rather avoid HRT after exhausting all other options - but that's my opinion. Each to his own.

Your thyroid is fairly high though. T3 levels, assuming you posted in mcg/dL, are venturing towards overactive thyroid. T4 is only on the upper end, which is odd with high T3 and 75mcg of levothyroxine. Have you tried Amour (natural T3/T4 medication)?

Thanks for the good post. I dont want to be on TRT or HRT for indefinite. I agree with you that my body fat could be the cause of the low T. My thoughts were increase my T levels, drop the body fat as quickly and safely as I can while sparing as much muscle, then hopefully my test levels will be back to normal once my body fat is below 10%. I want to be around 8% and maintain that. I havent tried Amour, but I have heard good things about it. I asked my nurse at the Endo, and she said that it is on some sort of back order...they cant get it in, or maybe she said that is was real expensive...who knows.

I think the majority of the issues stem from the BF, but it is insanely hard dropping the BF like I need to without some sort of normal ranges...any thoughts?

I think that I am opposed to HGH right now, b/c if my levels are low b/c of the high body fat, then I dont want to run the risk of messing up the pituitary...feedback?