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No, of course not is not as hard as any oral AAS, if that's what you meant.Originally Posted by number28
It's not 17-alpha kilated.
I would go por ibuprufen or naproxen instead of paracetamol (tylenol), simply because they are more effective for headaches (at least for me)
No NSAID interfere with clen. You can take it, but preferably not daily. Just when you REALLY need them.
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Tylenol is hell on the liver. Don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about.
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The Journal of the American Medical Association reported in its July 5th 2006 (JAMA. 2006;296:87-93. ) issue that Acetaminophen caused no liver damage even in liver disease patients (that's Hep C patients!) when taken at the normal dosage. Tylenol is regularly prescribed to patients with Hepatitis C. There's some evidence that taken at normal doses regularly for over two weeks there could be some "reversible liver damage" (that's 12 pills a day for two weeks) but that's it. He'd be fine taking tylenol once or twice a day for a head ache for a couple weeks while he's on clen.
The studies that were done showing liver damage were done back in the 70s bro.
Hey you know what I heard the other day? Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe are getting a divorce! Can you believe that shit?
I think its probably worse to not know what you're talking about, give advice about not giving advice when you don't know what your talking about AND be a D!ck about it.
To the OP, personally, I'd still go with a mix of Ibuprofen and Aspirin. I've found Ibuprofen to be great for swelling in my spinal erectors and Aspirin great for any sort of injection pain. Just be careful cause aspirin is a little rough on the tum tum if you take it more than once or twice a day.
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I can copy and paste too asshole. If you didn't live in a cave you would know tylenol is hard on the liver, and members using AAS, ancillaries, and numerous other compounds should not be subjecting themselves to unnecessary liver stress.
"If you take Tylenol for four days as directed you may be at risk of liver damage, says a new study. Tylenol has been on the market for decades. Previous studies had shown that Tylenol in combination with hydrocodone caused liver damage - experts had thought the liver toxicity was associated with hydrocodone. This new study clearly shows that the Tylenol poses the risk, rather than the hydrocodone.
Researchers from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, USA, were surprised when they found out that the liver damage had nothing to do with the opiate (hydrocodone). They found a previously unrecognized but pretty remarkable effect of acetaminophen (Tylenol) alone when taken as directed for four days.
The scientists said that patients who really need Tylenol should not stop taking it. If they are concerned they should discuss their medication with their doctor before considering switching.
Tylenol is a popular painkiller taken by millions of people all over the world. It is an alternative to aspirin for people who are concerned about its gastrointestinal side-effects.
The researchers found out about Tylenol's effect on liver enzyme levels while they were carrying out a trial on a therapy which included a narcotic drug, hydrocodone, in combination with acetaminophen. The focus was on the liver toxicity effect of the narcotic drug. However, Purdue Pharma, which funded the trial, found that several healthy subjects had high levels of specific liver enzymes - usually an indicator of a health risk for the liver.
The trial was stopped and another team was called in to carry out a new trial which found that Tylenol was the cause of the liver problems. You can read about the current trial in the Journal of the American Medical Association, 5 July issue.
The new trial involved 145 healthy volunteers. They were divided into three groups. The first group received a acetaminophen/opioid combination, the second acetaminophen alone, and the third group received a placebo. They were on their medication(s) or placebo for 14 days. The acetaminophen only group received the maximum recommended daily dosage.
The maximum ALT measurements for each group were as follows:
How many had a maximum ALT measurement 3 times higher than the upper limit of normal:
-- Placebo group - 0%
-- Combination acetaminophen/opioid group - 31% to 44%
-- Acetaminophen only group - 31% to 44%
These results indicate that it was the Acetaminophen, rather than the opioid, that was having the effect. "
Last edited by Bossman; 04-25-2010 at 02:46 PM.
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First, I wasn't talking about tylenol... I was talking about CLENBUTEROL not being harsh to the liver...
And just as Neevor, I think is worse to take an attitude of "wise wanna be" when it's actually YOU the one who doesn't have a clue about anything...
TYLENOL exponentially dangerous? Come on... I don't wanna know what's your possition then about oxymetholone...
Does it give you any satisfaction to call anyone "asshole" through a web forum? Do you feel more masculine or something?
I might be new around here, but not at all new in all of this, so if you feel that you can come and try to get the authority here that you don't have in the real world... Then I don't know either to laugh or cry about your sad life...
Now go and do something productive with your life boy...
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Red, have abit of respect for the older members who have earned alot of respect on this board...
Your new here and your views are valued but theres a right and wrong way of getting your opions across...
Lets have abit more order and respect for eachother on this board...
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Fair enough 007. My apologies... I just think we can even argue and enter into some situations of "you're wrong" with no need for some kind of language or expressions...
Just my opinion, but If it's OK for older members with 10,000+ messages to express themselves like that... Let me know before it happens again...
Bossman - AR Monitor
Tylenol is harsh on the liver. I said that in my first post and I stand by that. Recommending the use of tylenol in a steroid forum clearly displays your ignorance.
Calling Neevor an asshole after his smartass response was appropriate also.
I feel pretty damned good about myself Red. I've been married 27 years, own a productive construction company for 20 years and I compete in bodybuilding at the national level. I come on this site to help share what I've learned over the 30+ years I've weight trained.
Im not sorry you didn't like my response. Make sure you give the right advice next time you post.
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