best shape before cousin's wedding

[barnyap]

you used deca and winny for first 8 weeks with no test?? goodbye libido, ur gonna be shutdown hard

[RoadToRecovery]

That cycle needs work and clearly not enough research was done. There is so many first cycles on here not sure where you got your information from

- does the above make sense?(No)

- would sus add more gain then test e?(A test cycle of 500mgs twice a week would be better for your needs that is if you are not over 15 percent bodyfat)

- would the overlapping of primo and winny with the test e protect my gains?(Where was this data from; doesn't make any sense)

- would the bloating from test disappear within a month of my last injection?(Bloat should be under control with the right pct measures)

- would prov,adex,novaldex minimize the bloating during the cycle without affecting my gains,or should I just use them as part of my pct,and how?(Nolva should be used during cycle and after cycle with clomid)

Whats wrong with the cycle?

well researched? prob most unstructed and pointless cycle ive ever seen

Why?

you used deca and winny for first 8 weeks with no test?? goodbye libido, ur gonna be shutdown hard

Why?

[Necrosaro]

About the cycle.... wks 1-8: 200mg deca/wk- wks 1-8: 100mg winny/eod should have been the first highlight in the head without having test as a base which starts later in cycle and test ran for only 7 weeks after the Deca/Winstrol. So many things wrong here. There is really no explaination needed if research has been done prior to the cycle.

[bdodge2]

From what I see, and I'm no expert,

Test E should have been used from week 1.......it takes 4 weeks to really kick in and 2 weeks to clear your system.

Winny or any oral should not be run for more then 6 weeks to protect your liver. Usually you back end your cycle, not start a cycle, running it 2 weeks past test, to dry up, then start PCT.

Deca should be stopped 1-2 weeks prior to test to clear your system before test does so you don't completely blow your libedo and suffer from deca dick.

Why are you taking primo and winny out to week 16???

What are your PCT plans?????

[Noles12]

Whats wrong with the cycle?



Why?



Why?

There is a lot wrong with the cycle.

First its his first cylce and he is runnig 4 things. How would he know where the sides are coming from if he doesnt know how he responds to each individually. Thats why a simple test cycle is best first. Then maybe add another compound in the next cycle so you can know if a side effect occurs in the second one that is was from the new compound you have never tried.

Second he is running deca for 4 weeks before he is running test. Which means he will be shutting down his natural production with no test in his system which will bring many sides with it.

Third test E is a long ester. It will take 4-6 weeks to start noticing real gains and his plan is to run it for only 8 weeks. There is a reason why guys say 12 weeks on Test E.

Fourth it seems that his plan is to run his Winny two weeks into his PCT (if he even has one). I say this because his test would end 4 weeks before the end of his winny, and the PCT protocol with Test E would have him already into his PCT for 2 weeks. Therefore he is trying to restart his natural production while at the same time shutting it down.

Fifth he doesnt have a set PCT. e is asking how he should go about it

SO therefore it is a horrible plan for a cycle. Would you like to defend why it is good?

[RoadToRecovery]

There is a lot wrong with the cycle.

First its his first cylce and he is runnig 4 things. How would he know where the sides are coming from if he doesnt know how he responds to each individually. Thats why a simple test cycle is best first. Then maybe add another compound in the next cycle so you can know if a side effect occurs in the second one that is was from the new compound you have never tried.

Second he is running deca for 4 weeks before he is running test. Which means he will be shutting down his natural production with no test in his system which will bring many sides with it.

Third test E is a long ester. It will take 4-6 weeks to start noticing real gains and his plan is to run it for only 8 weeks. There is a reason why guys say 12 weeks on Test E.

Fourth it seems that his plan is to run his Winny two weeks into his PCT (if he even has one). I say this because his test would end 4 weeks before the end of his winny, and the PCT protocol with Test E would have him already into his PCT for 2 weeks. Therefore he is trying to restart his natural production while at the same time shutting it down.

Fifth he doesnt have a set PCT. e is asking how he should go about it

SO therefore it is a horrible plan for a cycle. Would you like to defend why it is good?

This is an answer that I was looking for the OP to get. Not -

well researched? prob most unstructed and pointless cycle ive ever seen

People need to start pointing inquiring members in the right direction instead of telling them that they are heading in the wrong one.

[Noles12]

This is an answer that I was looking for the OP to get. Not -

People need to start pointing inquiring members in the right direction instead of telling them that they are heading in the wrong one.

In what way have you pointed him in the right direction. By disagreeing with other members trying to give him advice but not supporting why you think the OP has a good cycle? Pointing out what they have wrong is the first step to pointing them in the right direction

[RoadToRecovery]

In what way have you pointed him in the right direction. By disagreeing with other members trying to give him advice but not supporting why you think the OP has a good cycle? Pointing out what they have wrong is the first step to pointing them in the right direction

Ummm... I think you need to re read the 5 word sentence I initially posted.

I didnt disagree with any one.

I didnt say the OP posted a good cycle.

Thanks for completely missing the point.

[Noles12]

People need to start pointing inquiring members in the right direction instead of telling them that they are heading in the wrong one.

I've yet to see you do this in this thread. You asking other memebrs why they said what they did comes off as you disagreeing with what they said. This in no way helps the OP.

So rather than saying that other people are doing wrong in how they respond to the question why dont you help out the OP

[RoadToRecovery]

I've yet to see you do this in this thread. You asking other memebrs why they said what they did comes off as you disagreeing with what they said. This in no way helps the OP.

So rather than saying that other people are doing wrong in how they respond to the question why dont you help out the OP

I asked why - I didnt disagree for the last time.

People waste both their time and the OPs time by posting irrelevant semi-answers.

And by the looks of it, I did help the OP. You came along and gave a definitive answer regarding the initial post just to try to harp on the fact that I questioned both members.

What ever the perception is, all I did was ask why. So you can hop off your high horse, and see my questions for what they are. Assuming only makes you out to be the bad guy in the end, especially for a question as cut and dry as "why" .