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  1. #1
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    Wow! 1997! How was your E2?

    300mg a week put me at 1404.

    200mg a week + 250iu HCG put me at 1007.

    I'm actually thinking about lowering it. I feel good at 1000, but I may feel just as good at 800 (Plus I would save some money and could horde some T!).

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    Durak, is everything OK with the CBC panel? Keep an eye on the RBC if you haven't already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Diamond View Post
    Wow! 1997! How was your E2?

    300mg a week put me at 1404.

    200mg a week + 250iu HCG put me at 1007.

    I'm actually thinking about lowering it. I feel good at 1000, but I may feel just as good at 800 (Plus I would save some money and could horde some T!).
    E2 is 43, I was taking a 12.5mg of stane a day at the time.

    After thinking about it, I gave the blood sample one week after I did my initial 2000ui 3x.

    My bloodwork is covered now so I will get the following next week and post the results.

    tosterone, Total
    Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) Sulfate
    Estradiol
    Homocysteine
    C-Reactive Protein (Cardiac) (High Sensitivity)
    PSA
    Hemoglobin A1C
    IGF-1
    Cortisol
    FSH/LH
    TSH
    T4 Free
    Fasting Insulin
    Sex Hormone Binding
    Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
    Tri-iodothyronine (T3), Free, Serum
    Thyroxine (T4)
    Reverse T3
    Thyroid Antibodies
    Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies
    Red Cell Magnesium
    Vitamin D 25 OH

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    Update May 2009

    Lots to cover.

    Been in hospital on and off for allergic reaction to B12 shots. Really bad stuff and a warning to the rare few that are allergic.

    Current Protocol
    200mg Cypionate per week
    250iu of HCG 2 times week
    12.5mg Aromasin eod.
    adding 50mg anavar ed.

    Bloodwork
    Cortisol 2
    E2 61
    Ferritin 12 (22-322)
    LH <1 (1.5 - 9.3)
    Testosterone 696 (241-827)
    Free Test 218 (47-277)
    IGF-1 247 (115-307)
    Free T4 1.19 (.89 - 1.76)
    Free T3 3.27 (2.3 - 4.2)
    TSH 3.7 (.35 - 4)
    Thyroid antibodies 221 (< 41)
    Thyroid Peroxidase 159 (< 36)
    Homocystene 12.8 (3.7 - 13.9)
    Reverse T3 is pending

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    Wow -- so it was the B12? Hospitalized? The hives must have gotten pretty severe. Hope you're out of the woods now.

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    Durak, I really like your protocol. I like how you've made some adjustments when things didn't seem to be going right. I think your numbers got a little high, and you're probably feeling a lot better by cutting it down a bit.

    Yeah, the B12 thing is rare, but does exists. Truly sucks that you have the allergy card for that stuff.

    I see the E2 crept up a bit, but stick to your protocol it should drop back in the 40's and below in short time.

    Hope you're getting back on track!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic Ed View Post
    Wow -- so it was the B12? Hospitalized? The hives must have gotten pretty severe. Hope you're out of the woods now.
    Yep... enough to put me in anaphylactic shock twice. Today is the last day of my medicine and I will know soon if I am doomed for another few visits. They said it could start/stop for about a month.

    My bloodwork points to some areas of opportunity.
    Bloodwork

    [B]E2 61[B]
    Will up my anti-e and get this down to around 20.

    [B]
    Ferritin 12 (22-322)[B]
    This is new to me so I will need to look into it.


    TSH 3.7 (.35 - 4)
    Thyroid antibodies 221 (< 41)
    Thyroid Peroxidase 159 (< 36)
    Reverse T3 is pending


    These numbers are bad. Will need to get medical opinion. In general hypothyroidism I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durak View Post
    Yep... enough to put me in anaphylactic shock twice. Today is the last day of my medicine and I will know soon if I am doomed for another few visits. They said it could start/stop for about a month.

    My bloodwork points to some areas of opportunity.
    Bloodwork

    [B]E2 61[B]
    Will up my anti-e and get this down to around 20.

    [B]
    Ferritin 12 (22-322)[B]
    This is new to me so I will need to look into it.


    TSH 3.7 (.35 - 4)
    Thyroid antibodies 221 (< 41)
    Thyroid Peroxidase 159 (< 36)
    Reverse T3 is pending


    These numbers are bad. Will need to get medical opinion. In general hypothyroidism I think.
    It looks like hashimotos from your antibodies.

    I have been dealing with low ferritin for several years. It is very important to get it to atleast 70. Some trt doctors believe 150 is best for males but you don't want to go much over that.

    Ferritin is important so you body can convert t4, to t3 since our bodies only use t3. Yours is very low and getting it up should help with energy and maybe go a long way to regulating your thyroid. Using any form of thyroid medication will not work until your ferritin is up.

    I have been at 3 before and my hair was falling out and I had severe heart palpatations at that point.

    Best way to get it up is with dessicated liver or heme iron. I have not found other forms of iron to work well and there is much discussion on their danger as iron can be carcinogenic in the ferrous forms.

    Dessicated liver supplements are effective at raising ferritin and extremely healthy. The body building crowd often uses them to aid strength and stamina. Heme iron is expensive but better used by the body than non heme forms and will bring ferritin up swiftly.

    Your cortisol looks low. I did not see a range though. If you have been living for a long time with hypothyroidism this can mess up cortisol.

    You can pm me for brands of dessicated liver if you'd like.

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    Your ferritin is 12 ... I'm over 700. Have been as high as 1400.

    You can have some of mine!

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