Why add masteron??

[stevey_6t9]

test is test, i dont see how an ester can influence water retention...

anyone got an explanation??

[Mazor]

test is test, i dont see how an ester can influence water retention...

anyone got an explanation??

yea something i always wondered also, i even made a topic about it, but it seem like nobody got any explination for it..

[Coca Cola]

According to William Llewellyn's Anabolics Book, "The ester is removed before testosterone is active in the body, and likewise the ester cannot alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way, only slows its release. It all boils down to how much testosterone you are getting into your blood with each particular compound - otherwise there is no difference between them"

So it appears that Test is Test no matter what type of ester attached to it, the only difference between them is just the release time.

My thought is maybe because prop is injected at lower dose but frequent dosing (every day), it creates more stable blood plasma level, therefore leads to less hormonal fluctuations compare to Test E or C that is being injected only twice a week. More stable blood level leads to less sides (including bloating).. Maybe... Just a thought..

[stevey_6t9]

According to William Llewellyn's Anabolics Book, "The ester is removed before testosterone is active in the body, and likewise the ester cannot alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way, only slows its release. It all boils down to how much testosterone you are getting into your blood with each particular compound - otherwise there is no difference between them"

So it appears that Test is Test no matter what type of ester attached to it, the only difference between them is just the release time.

My thought is maybe because prop is injected at lower dose but frequent dosing (every day), it creates more stable blood plasma level, therefore leads to less hormonal fluctuations compare to Test E or C that is being injected only twice a week. More stable blood level leads to less sides (including bloating).. Maybe... Just a thought..

i have seen no explanation that justifies test prop to lead to less water retention.

as regarding to your explanation of more stable blood levels leads to less sides you are correct, however injecting test e or c twice a week is more then enough to maintain a steady level, even comparable to daily test prop injections.

i think its a myth unlesss anyone can prove me wrong.

[Coca Cola]

i think its a myth unlesss anyone can prove me wrong.

i think so too..

From what I know, genetics, diet, and dosage used, are probably the main variables that determines water retention on someone who use test, not the type of ester..

I'm curious to hear opinions from more veteran member whose been there done that..

[MR10X]

i think so too..

From what I know, genetics, diet, and dosage used, are probably the main variables that determines water retention on someone who use test, not the type of ester..

I'm curious to hear opinions from more veteran member whose been there done that..

I never see a difference between prop,suspension and E as far as water retention.Water retention seems to be more of a diet thing and what you eat that cause water retention.Test is test no matter what ester it has,it cant do anything untill the ester is gone,and when the ester is gone all the test is the same....

[Lemonada8]

i have seen no explanation that justifies test prop to lead to less water retention.

as regarding to your explanation of more stable blood levels leads to less sides you are correct, however injecting test e or c twice a week is more then enough to maintain a steady level, even comparable to daily test prop injections.

i think its a myth unlesss anyone can prove me wrong.

the esterase's used to break the ester off the test molecule uses water. so the longer the chain, the more water around is needed to cleave off the whole ester.
hence less water retention

also, steroids are stored in fat. aromatization is much higher in fat than in muscle, so with a long ester u have more water attracted to break the longer ester, also while its not converting it has some paracrine activity which increases aromatization once the test is cleaved off. Thats why most people with longer esters need a AI to control bloat. with prop, this isnt needed as much.

also you will see those who have problems with water retention (that arent doing a duper high dose of T) inject EOD. That is textbook value, but thats for 1/2 the population. ED shots with prop keep u at a more stable elvel and not have the peaks/valleys that cause additional bloating.

[mani_bono]

the esterase's used to break the ester off the test molecule uses water. so the longer the chain, the more water around is needed to cleave off the whole ester.
hence less water retention

also, steroids are stored in fat. aromatization is much higher in fat than in muscle, so with a long ester u have more water attracted to break the longer ester, also while its not converting it has some paracrine activity which increases aromatization once the test is cleaved off. Thats why most people with longer esters need a AI to control bloat. with prop, this isnt needed as much.

also you will see those who have problems with water retention (that arent doing a duper high dose of T) inject EOD. That is textbook value, but thats for 1/2 the population. ED shots with prop keep u at a more stable elvel and not have the peaks/valleys that cause additional bloating.

good explanation mate, I'm on 16th day of a cycle with 100mg of Test Prop EOD and I have no bloat, water retention, ... I'm on a very clean diet though. so basically you think if I do 50mg ED I will get better result?
Since I'm also doing 200mg Primobolan EOD It will be too much injections and I prefer if I keep it EOD, but if the difference is great I will go with ED shoots.

[Lemonada8]

good explanation mate, I'm on 16th day of a cycle with 100mg of Test Prop EOD and I have no bloat, water retention, ... I'm on a very clean diet though. so basically you think if I do 50mg ED I will get better result?
Since I'm also doing 200mg Primobolan EOD It will be too much injections and I prefer if I keep it EOD, but if the difference is great I will go with ED shoots.

if u arent havin problems with EOD, keep it there no need for the xtra pinning ur muscles. The thing about half life is the defination. The time it takes for 1/2 of the compound to be gone in 1/2 the population. So who is to say that ur on the "EOD ok" side, or aka slower esterases. Personally I have to go ED shots, if i miss one i hold water for a day or so thats noticable esp cuz i have pubertal gyno, it basically puffs up if i miss a shot of prop. I go Ed shots, i have no issues.