what are some of the bad things HGH can do to you?

[flybynight]

Just my 2 cents, because I'm one of those rare people that actually has pituitary problems and found out I don't make much HGH, if any: I've been on different doses of HGH for 3 years now, from 1 iu to 5IU daily. Because of the cost, I've basically charted cost versus benefit the entire time.

For me, since I make little or none myself, 2 IUs a day gives me my minimum positive IFG-1 levels in the normal range when my bloodwork is done. When I increase, I have sides like wrist and mild joint pain, blurry vision, and I go high blood sugar. As a diabetic, I'm already prepared for fluctuations in blood sugar... but for those of you unfamiliar with it, boy, HGH drives your blood sugar up dramatically... so definitely watch it. That's probably the most dangerous side, pushing your blood sugar up to the point where you actually, clinically, start to predispose to being a type 2 diabetic... this happens slowly over time, and diabetes related deaths are much higher than publicized. Average Joe dies of a heart attack, and that's how they write it up. Of course, average Joe also had diabetes, which probably brought it on earlier... but it won't get credit for it. Same with kidney failure and strokes, etc.

You can go to a Right Aid or whatever and get a little diabetes testing kit. Easy stuff, pick your finger and measure your blood. Normal is between 80-120 or so. Do this before HGH. Now take HGH for a couple of days and test again, etc, and do so every few weeks to make sure you're not drifting up into the upper 100s / 200s, which is bad news.

Last note: TRT has an infinitely more dramatic effect on your body mass / composition than HGH, hands down. Not even close. If you read this board carefully, you'll find WAY more posts talking about how great someone feels on TRT... and the posts centered around HGH usually have something to do with "trying it out" or "beginning HGH". You don't really see pages of glowing results like TRT... and that's for a reason.

I went on TRT last November when my T levels were down, and holy mother of GOD it made a much greater impact than 2 years of HGH. It was like liquid gold, and I had to be careful not to go overboard. So now I balance HGH and TRT perfectly without much sides, and take an AI once or twice a week to throttle things down. I'm so nailed down to perfection with my crazy injections (insulin, HGH, TRT, HCG), that I'm found my perfect combo:

HGH 2 IU daily, TRT 3x week x 50mg sub Q, not IM (MWF), Insulin daily with meals, HCG 2x week x 250 IU (sat / sun). Liquidex 2x week x .25 (MF), Liquid Tamox 1xweek x 20mg (S). Obviously, the insulin is mandatory for a type 1 diabetic like me.

By they way, TRT itself raises HGH and IGF-1 levels, keep that in mind. I would only bother with the cost and pain of daily dosing of HGH if 1) you have to like me or 2) you're doing a cycle and really serious about working out daily.

Otherwise, if it were optional for me, I'd take it out of the above entirely.... again, if I were normal like you.

Hope this helps.

[Vettester]

Just my 2 cents, because I'm one of those rare people that actually has pituitary problems and found out I don't make much HGH, if any: I've been on different doses of HGH for 3 years now, from 1 iu to 5IU daily. Because of the cost, I've basically charted cost versus benefit the entire time.

For me, since I make little or none myself, 2 IUs a day gives me my minimum positive IFG-1 levels in the normal range when my bloodwork is done. When I increase, I have sides like wrist and mild joint pain, blurry vision, and I go high blood sugar. As a diabetic, I'm already prepared for fluctuations in blood sugar... but for those of you unfamiliar with it, boy, HGH drives your blood sugar up dramatically... so definitely watch it. That's probably the most dangerous side, pushing your blood sugar up to the point where you actually, clinically, start to predispose to being a type 2 diabetic... this happens slowly over time, and diabetes related deaths are much higher than publicized. Average Joe dies of a heart attack, and that's how they write it up. Of course, average Joe also had diabetes, which probably brought it on earlier... but it won't get credit for it. Same with kidney failure and strokes, etc.

You can go to a Right Aid or whatever and get a little diabetes testing kit. Easy stuff, pick your finger and measure your blood. Normal is between 80-120 or so. Do this before HGH. Now take HGH for a couple of days and test again, etc, and do so every few weeks to make sure you're not drifting up into the upper 100s / 200s, which is bad news.

Last note: TRT has an infinitely more dramatic effect on your body mass / composition than HGH, hands down. Not even close. If you read this board carefully, you'll find WAY more posts talking about how great someone feels on TRT... and the posts centered around HGH usually have something to do with "trying it out" or "beginning HGH". You don't really see pages of glowing results like TRT... and that's for a reason.

I went on TRT last November when my T levels were down, and holy mother of GOD it made a much greater impact than 2 years of HGH. It was like liquid gold, and I had to be careful not to go overboard. So now I balance HGH and TRT perfectly without much sides, and take an AI once or twice a week to throttle things down. I'm so nailed down to perfection with my crazy injections (insulin, HGH, TRT, HCG), that I'm found my perfect combo:

HGH 2 IU daily, TRT 3x week x 50mg sub Q, not IM (MWF), Insulin daily with meals, HCG 2x week x 250 IU (sat / sun). Liquidex 2x week x .25 (MF), Liquid Tamox 1xweek x 20mg (S). Obviously, the insulin is mandatory for a type 1 diabetic like me.

By they way, TRT itself raises HGH and IGF-1 levels, keep that in mind. I would only bother with the cost and pain of daily dosing of HGH if 1) you have to like me or 2) you're doing a cycle and really serious about working out daily.

Otherwise, if it were optional for me, I'd take it out of the above entirely.... again, if I were normal like you.

Hope this helps.

Informative post ... Thanks for sharing this.

[bowers32]

very interesting..... I had always heard that TRT was more for feeling good and over all well being... and HGH was for body composition.

Plus everyone says to don't take HGH without test....

At 48 and as someone that works out hard and heavy 5 days a week, the body composition part of HGH is tempting.. Meanwhile, at 48, the affects of TRT on feeling better, more energy, libdo etc... are also useful.

Although now I am hearing a lot of people talking about taking Anavar for a few months with TRT to help aid in the body composition short term to get to a better level of fitness that can be maintained. Seems that Anavar is a mild steriod and easy on the liver and therefore you can really keep most of the gains you get off of it.

That's why this board is so helpful..... lots of information on all the options.