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    Quote Originally Posted by prodomino View Post
    have you tryed Letrozole it will suppress your sex drive and This is good reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since the test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive loss.
    you will want to start running the letro around 14 days before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if this is true becaus I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I would start it before your cycle as stated above. If you do decide to run letro there is no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro dont listen to these ****ing morons telling you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…

    Not running any estrogen protection do this
    Day 1: .50mg Letro
    Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
    Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
    Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
    Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

    Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already running a mess.
    You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion

    Day 1: 2.0mg
    Day 2: 1.5mg
    Day 3: 1.0mg
    Day 4: .50mg***
    Day 5: .25mg

    You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had any problems!
    with your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. you can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.
    Quote Originally Posted by prodomino View Post
    Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP. You can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.
    Quote Originally Posted by prodomino View Post
    false claims your an idiot you dont know what the **** your talking about i see yoiu flame every person on here jesus.

    You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

    As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

    #1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

    #2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid. A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

    #3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

    ~Haz~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

    As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

    #1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

    #2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid. A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

    #3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

    ~Haz~
    Damn good info Haz. Thanks for sharing and setting the record straight. I know i have seen this info in many stickies. Can you please elaborate or suggest dosing of the Exemstane, Caber/Prami/Bromo while on 19nor. This info has escaped me. If not, please feel free to direct me to the right sticky, i don't mind reading.
    Last edited by magaton; 05-06-2010 at 08:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magaton View Post
    Damn good info Haz. Thanks for sharing and setting the record straight. I know i have seen this info in many stickies. Can you please elaborate or suggest dosing of the Exemstane, Caber/Prami/Bromo while on 19nor. This info has escaped me. If not, please feel free to direct me to the right sticky, i don't mind reading.
    I took 12.5mg's Exemestane ED when Gyno appeared.....

    I'm not sure there is a sticky on the letro/adex and caber info - It was something I had asked about and was told by swifto to use exemestane instead.

    ~Haz~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

    As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

    #1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

    #2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid. A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

    #3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

    ~Haz~
    I think you mean Tamoxifen there boss... Not Caber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I think you mean Tamoxifen there boss... Not Caber.
    Swifto to the rescue

    My msitake lol

    ~Haz~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    You did a great job of copying and pasting information from another vets gyno post.....

    As for the original question and all the misinformation in this thread...... i've already addressed this issue with the OP via PM but i'll make a few things clear on his thread so people don't do the wrong things......

    #1 Nolvadex can help reverse gyno (see warriors thread on gyno) - also.... i've used it for that purpose and it works.

    #2 Nolvadex is not the best choice to use when acquiring gyno from a 19nor steroid. A better option is to use caber/prami/bromo. The judgement is 50/50 on whether or not Nolva makes 19nor related gyno worse or better..... why take the chance?

    #3 the only AI I use when running a 19nor is Exemestane. This AI pairs well with caber. Using adex or letro may reduce the effectiveness of caber. (Thank-you swifto for that info)

    ~Haz~
    Christ thank you for posting that.

    My jaw about dropped seeing who we have out there giving people advice on things.

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