Sickness Unknown

[forrest_and_trees]

Thank you for sharing!
I got 9/10 on that test by the way.

If you got 9 out of 10 you're already in deep, I'd take the printed results of the ADAMS test back to your doctor, show it to him and insist he start you on TRT. If he refuses, it high time you *seriously* reconsider a new doc.

Trust me when I say, *EVERYTHING* [with few exception] that mattered to me, I've lost over the past 20 years due directly or indirectly to being afflicted with LowT. Relationships, friends, jobs, health, the ability to do all the things I love, my belongings, self respect, self-esteem, you name it... I've lost it because of LowT. And I was riding pretty high for a while, I had it all going for me. Trust me when I say, I know first had what it means when they say, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall". The worst part was, it wasn't like I was some big prick who took it all for granted. I valued every minute of my life style and never once let my belongings or stature define who I was. All them same it still hurt's like a Son-of-a-Bitch when you loose it ALL!!! You're young, you have plenty of time to "ride the wave" and make your way in life. Don't let LowT prevent you from being happy. I can say with almost certainty, that had I not discovered my LowT in time, I would have been dead by the time I was 45. At least now I have a fighting chance.

It has been a horrible ride I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I'm just glad there's hope now.

[Hyposomnia]

If you got 9 out of 10 you're already in deep, I'd take the printed results of the ADAMS test back to your doctor, show it to him and insist he start you on TRT. If he refuses, it high time you *seriously* reconsider a new doc.

Trust me when I say, *EVERYTHING* [with few exception] that mattered to me, I've lost over the past 20 years due directly or indirectly to being afflicted with LowT. Relationships, friends, jobs, health, the ability to do all the things I love, my belongings, self respect, self-esteem, you name it... I've lost it because of LowT. And I was riding pretty high for a while, I had it all going for me. Trust me when I say, I know first had what it means when they say, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall". The worst part was, it wasn't like I was some big prick who took it all for granted. I valued every minute of my life style and never once let my belongings or stature define who I was. All them same it still hurt's like a Son-of-a-Bitch when you loose it ALL!!! You're young, you have plenty of time to "ride the wave" and make your way in life. Don't let LowT prevent you from being happy. I can say with almost certainty, that had I not discovered my LowT in time, I would have been dead by the time I was 45. At least now I have a fighting chance.

It has been a horrible ride I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I'm just glad there's hope now.

Sorry to hear about all the sh*t you've been through! But I'm glad that you're better and on your way up!

Lets say I do some new tests and all values are "normal", should I still insist on a TRT? And if they refuse, can I get these kind of TRT-stuff on the street like other steroids? I'm not saying that I'm going straight out to get some juice now, but if my doctors say no, I could maybe try some to see if it helps .

[forrest_and_trees]

Sorry to hear about all the sh*t you've been through! But I'm glad that you're better and on your way up!

Lets say I do some new tests and all values are "normal", should I still insist on a TRT? And if they refuse, can I get these kind of TRT-stuff on the street like other steroids? I'm not saying that I'm going straight out to get some juice now, but if my doctors say no, I could maybe try some to see if it helps .

I would have to say, that depends. If the so called "normal" numbers are marginal, then yes, I'd refer back to the symptoms and insist. If they still refuse, move on to the next doctor. I'd try a new doctor before going rouge. Yes there are lots of good insightful people here but there's no substitute for a good physician mainly because you'll want to continue with blood tests throughout your treatment and doing that on your own can be sketchy at best. There may be other people here who disagree with me but I would choose a doctor over black-market [or even gray-market] internet any day.

[Hyposomnia]

Just wanted to update my journey to wealth here...

I saw the neurologist today and he ran the same test like my last doctor did (balance, feel, view etc). But he also wanted to check my blood value if it matches the one that narcoleptic people has. I asked him to remit me to an endocrinologist if my results were normal. He told me that we could check my hormones at the same time and IF the these results were bad, I would get to see an endocrinologist.

I checked the paper to see what he checked, and I remember these:
Testosterone
SHBG
Prolactin
(He did not check estradiol)

I asked to check free testosterone also, but they apparantly only check this if my SHBG was to show very low or very high.

If they don't find anything unusual, can I still demand to get stimulant drugs at least (like modafinil) to make it through the day? Not that it is going to solve my libido problem, but maybe there are drugs for that as well?

I really hope they do find something, I want to move on with my life so badly

[Epic Ed]

They can check what ever you want them to check. You need to reverse the roles a bit, though, and TELL them what you're going to have checked. Insist on it. If he won't check free test and E2, challenge him to give you a good explanation for why not, and regardless of his rationale there is no good not to test for those things. Seriously -- it's no skin off his back and there's zero danger or risk to you, so WTF?

Please post up with results when you get them. 24 y/o is unusually young to have low test, but I'm hoping you get to the bottom of what's going on soon.

[Hyposomnia]

They can check what ever you want them to check. You need to reverse the roles a bit, though, and TELL them what you're going to have checked. Insist on it. If he won't check free test and E2, challenge him to give you a good explanation for why not, and regardless of his rationale there is no good not to test for those things. Seriously -- it's no skin off his back and there's zero danger or risk to you, so WTF?

Please post up with results when you get them. 24 y/o is unusually young to have low test, but I'm hoping you get to the bottom of what's going on soon.

I just got a call from the psychiatry: "We'd like to meet you next week if you're available". I asked them about my recent tests, but they didn't know anything. This is just laughable, as soon as they don't find anything marginally, they think that you're insane , and don't tell me the results that I asked for (copy)... Well I guess a lot people are crazy and therefore the doctors draw this type of conclusions. I know for a fact that I had a happy childhood and I am very happy today except for my extreme fatigue/sleepyness and low libido.

I hope that the psychiatry can supply me with some great drugs at least so I can live!

I'll be back soon for more, thanks for all support guys!

[forrest_and_trees]

Wow... that's kind of a drag and frankly a bit disconcerting. I suppose if you look at chickens all day long... *everything* starts to look like chicken.

If it were me, I'd start making movements in the opposite direction and then run as fast as you can as soon as you're out of reach of the nets. Heir Dok-tor Freud doesn't sound like the best route for you. Did you show him the results of the ADAMs questionnaire? It's looking like these guys are making it out to be more than it is.. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar; no need for the Rorschach charts.

I'd avoid any stimulants, or anti depressants or even ED meds too for that matter. All they do is address the symptoms, not the cause.

As for an endocrinologist, unless your insurance will cover it, you can get what you need from any decent GP. I looked into endocrinologists too, but they seem to be way over paid. I say keep it simple, find a good General Practitioner, show him [or her] the ADAMs results, *TELL* them you *NEED* a Total Testosterone test and while your at it, throw in your Estorgen levels and TSH levels. It seems pretty obvious what your problem is, And yes, even at your age, while less common, it's likely. That's when mine started.

Lastly, do not walk out of the office until they hand you a copy of your test results.