is PCT really necessary?

[MMAngry]

The reason behind running only one compound first cycle is to see how your body reacts to each compund differently. If you start to experience bad sides how are you going to know how to treat them? Cuase u have no way of knowing that if its prolactin sides or estro sides.

True. But people seem to think that you HAVE to run Test with Tren, and I disagree. You can run a low dose Tren only cycle and see how it goes. That's what I did and it worked pretty well. The more compounds you use the more sides you have to deal with. Lots of people get sides from Test in and of itself.

[Matt]

True. But people seem to think that you HAVE to run Test with Tren, and I disagree. You can run a low dose Tren only cycle and see how it goes. That's what I did and it worked pretty well. The more compounds you use the more sides you have to deal with. Lots of people get sides from Test in and of itself.

You really need to stop posting and spend more time reading.

A very low dose of tren will shut you down, period...

[Kiki]

soo much false information in this thread...

Let me make it simple, if you're a beginner always take the advice of a moderator of vet on this board (you can tell by the colored names they have), over anyone else. 99.999999999% of the time they are right, and the other guy advocating something ridiculous is wrong.

Tren without test? lol

Cycle without PCT, double lol

[MMAngry]

soo much false information in this thread...

Let me make it simple, if you're a beginner always take the advice of a moderator of vet on this board (you can tell by the colored names they have), over anyone else. 99.999999999% of the time they are right, and the other guy advocating something ridiculous is wrong.

Tren without test? lol

Cycle without PCT, double lol

You probably get all your info online from bodybuilders that take way too many drugs.

Although I agree that PCT is important.

[MMAngry]

You really need to stop posting and spend more time reading.

A very low dose of tren will shut you down, period...

No it won't.. you're perpetuating silly wives tales talked about on the internet.

I just did a low dose tren cycle and it worked great. As long as you pin 3x/week it's not a problem IMO... I've already done the reading.. Test does nothing in the event of the so called "permanent shutdown."

You really need to stop posting and spend more time reading.

[Matt]

No it won't.. you're perpetuating silly wives tales talked about on the internet.

I just did a low dose tren cycle and it worked great. As long as you pin 3x/week it's not a problem IMO... I've already done the reading.. Test does nothing in the event of the so called "permanent shutdown."
You really need to stop posting and spend more time reading.

Absolutely not, ive run tren a number of times and its one of the most suppressive aas to ones own test production.. This is fact, or are the hundreds of guy's on here wrong and your right.

Even at low levels testicular atrophy is certain, thats a fact....

Maybe someone sold you test claiming it was tren, i don't know but once you have several years of cycling with tren then come back and see how stupid you look at this time...

Just reading that statement in bold shows you haven't a clue what your talking about. We add test because our own bodies test production has stopped so we need to add test until the end of our cycle. We don't add test to help kick start our own test production...

If what your saying is true then by god we've all been doing it wrong on here for years, maybe you should go to the steroid profile forum and re-write all the steroid profiles, this could be history in the making. MMangry has revolutionised the process of taking aas....

[Noles12]

Absolutely not, ive run tren a number of times and its one of the most suppressive aas to ones own test production.. This is fact, or are the hundreds of guy's on here wrong and your right.

Even at low levels testicular atrophy is certain, thats a fact....

Maybe someone sold you test claiming it was tren, i don't know but once you have several years of cycling with tren then come back and see how stupid you look at this time...

Just reading that statement in bold shows you haven't a clue what your talking about. We add test because our own bodies test production has stopped so we need to add test until the end of our cycle. We don't add test to help kick start our own test production...

If what your saying is true then by god we've all been doing it wrong on here for years, maybe you should go to the steroid profile forum and re-write all the steroid profiles, this could be history in the making. MMangry has revolutionised the process of taking aas....

^^^x2

[Swifto]

No it won't.. you're perpetuating silly wives tales talked about on the internet.

I just did a low dose tren cycle and it worked great. As long as you pin 3x/week it's not a problem IMO... I've already done the reading.. Test does nothing in the event of the so called "permanent shutdown."

You really need to stop posting and spend more time reading.

Yes, it will.

Dont make me post studies to make you look more foolish than you already do. If you want them, let me know.

Its postulated that 19-Nor's are so inhibitive to the HPTA because of their actions on the progesterone receptor. Nandrolone binds with 20% of progesterone's affinity to the progesterone receptor. Tren's RBA for the PgR is 60. Which would make it even more suppressive. Not to metion its around 5x as androgenic as Testosterone.

Let me guess, Nandrolone isnt suppressive at all either, yeah? It wont cause total cessation of endogenous andorgens in a matter of days/weeks. because if Tren doesnt, Nandrolone cant either then?

[MMAngry]

Yes, it will.

Dont make me post studies to make you look more foolish than you already do. If you want them, let me know.

Its postulated that 19-Nor's are so inhibitive to the HPTA because of their actions on the progesterone receptor. Nandrolone binds with 20% of progesterone's affinity to the progesterone receptor. Tren's RBA for the PgR is 60. Which would make it even more suppressive. Not to metion its around 5x as androgenic as Testosterone.

Let me guess, Nandrolone isnt suppressive at all either, yeah? It wont cause total cessation of endogenous andorgens in a matter of days/weeks. because if Tren doesnt, Nandrolone cant either then?

It's already been covered in Rana's Tren thread. Rana was talking about "permanent shutdown," and a couple vets spoke up and said that Test does NOTHING in the event of the so called "permanent shutdown." The only reason why people take Test with Tren is to make themselves feel "normal" while on it. I didn't have any penis issues at all. Do you concede that some people are more virile than others? This forum has too many bodybuilders that do way too many drugs. I think it clouds their perception. If I were to up my dosage to over 500/week I'd probably start stacking it with Prop. I ran 300/week and it worked well.

RE: "penis getting larger." I said "if anything".... meaning, I know it didn't actually grow, but when I was running tren my hard ons were larger. I was incredibly horny through the whole cycle.

This board pissed me off because it delayed my cycle people were injecting so much fear about how naughty tren is.

[Swifto]

It's already been covered in Rana's Tren thread. Rana was talking about "permanent shutdown," and a couple vets spoke up and said that Test does NOTHING in the event of the so called "permanent shutdown." The only reason why people take Test with Tren is to make themselves feel "normal" while on it. I didn't have any penis issues at all. Do you concede that some people are more virile than others? This forum has too many bodybuilders that do way too many drugs. I think it clouds their perception. If I were to up my dosage to over 500/week I'd probably start stacking it with Prop. I ran 300/week and it worked well.

RE: "penis getting larger." I said "if anything".... meaning, I know it didn't actually grow, but when I was running tren my hard ons were larger. I was incredibly horny through the whole cycle.

This board pissed me off because it delayed my cycle people were injecting so much fear about how naughty tren is.

What an earth is "permanent shutdown"?

You may not have any penis issues, but you sure as f*ck shutdown your enodgenous testosterone levels. If you stayed on Tren alone long enough or used a higher dose, you'll lose your labido.

Yes, some are more virile than others, but thats doesnt mean to say their endogenous testosterone isnt zilch.

Labido isnt solely caused by testosterone production. DHEA, estrogen, prolactin, DHEA's, SHBG all also play a roles.

Regarding this board, "pissing you off", there are plenty more boards on the internet that may put up with your garbage and suggestions of Tren only cycles.

[brad1986]

1. Tren on first cycle? no good
2. tren without test? no good
3. starting any cycle without pct on hand ready to go? terrible idea

You need to do more research before messing with yourself that way. tren is way too strong for a beginer and anybody that siad you dont need pct is sombody you dont want ot take any advice from