Orals only Cycle - need clarification please

[Swifto]

Oral only cycles are crap for many reasons.
1) you can't stay on orals very long without some serious health risks, 4-8 weeks depending on the compound

Garbage. I have stayed on Dbol and Tbol (seperate) for over 12-14 weeks with a minimal increase in live values and lipids.

2) orals are anabolic and bind to receptors, thus supressing your bodies test production.

What and other AAS dont too? What "receptors do they bind to"? Thats the second indication you have no clue what your on about.

3) orals are not testosterone, so when they supress you, they don't replace your bodies test

Andriol is. But I dont think you even knew that. However, I can see your point here. Some "orals" actually increase labido in some so why does that matter?

4) test does not protect the liver, it helps make the liver damage more worth it.

What the f*ck?

5)you need liver protection bc oral steroids must survive passing through the liverinorder to enter the blood stream. When they pass through your liver, they damage your liver.

Kind of correct. But not or orals must be metabolised in the liver. For example, Primo tabs and Proviron are oral AAS, but are not 17aa's or have that specific structural alteration.
6) by doing an oral only cycle, you are basically shouting to the world, "I'M IGNORANT. I KNOW MORE THAN EVERYONE"

You should start shouting, "I DONT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!" And not be concerned about others. You have no idea what your doing, nor talking about mate.

Bolds

[fattywarbucks]

Bolds

Ill reply by number:
1) I said that staying on longer than 4-8 weeks depending on compound, can cause serious health risks. Saying I was on dbol and tbol for 12- 14 is like saying I smoke 2 packs a day and haven't got cancer yet. You know you would never recommend a 14 week oral cycle to anyone. You got away with 14 wks. Doesn't mean I would. I know someone who got lung cysts from long anadrol cycles does that mean everyone will. Of course not.

2) I should have clarified. In this case I meant that they bind to hormone receptors signaling the halt of test production. Setting up to point three. I said this bc, even though its obvious that all supress of shut you down to varryig degrees, I get the feeling that some people think that since it is not straight testosterone it will not shut you down. And yes I knew anadrol is test. I obviosly jerkk it to profiles hahah I'm lame

3) just bc your libido is in check, hormone stability is always a concern. Haveing extremely low test levels due to suppression is not made okay by the random chance that one can get an erection.

4) this was a direct answer to a question asked by the OP. I'm not insane, but I see how that looked out of context

5) has anyone ever considered a proviron only cycle? And even non-17's still have a degree of liver toxicity. I was just giving a general response to the OPs question of why he needs liver protection while on an oral cycle

We"ll comprimise. Ill scream out I AM A DOUCHE!!! BETTER?

Much respect to you. I owe my whole planned pct to you.

[Swifto]

Ill reply by number:
1) I said that staying on longer than 4-8 weeks depending on compound, can cause serious health risks. Saying I was on dbol and tbol for 12- 14 is like saying I smoke 2 packs a day and haven't got cancer yet. You know you would never recommend a 14 week oral cycle to anyone. You got away with 14 wks. Doesn't mean I would. I know someone who got lung cysts from long anadrol cycles does that mean everyone will. Of course not.

I'm not suggesting 12-14 weeks on orals. I stated my experience. To say over "4-8 weeks causes serious health risks" is way overboard.

2) I should have clarified. In this case I meant that they bind to hormone receptors signaling the halt of test production. Setting up to point three. I said this bc, even though its obvious that all supress of shut you down to varryig degrees, I get the feeling that some people think that since it is not straight testosterone it will not shut you down. And yes I knew anadrol is test. I obviosly jerkk it to profiles hahah I'm lame

If your regarding testosterone suppression the androgens may bind to the ER, AR and PgR in the hypothalamus.

Again, "Anadrol" is not testosterone, Andriol is Test Undec. which is oral Test.

3) just bc your libido is in check, hormone stability is always a concern. Haveing extremely low test levels due to suppression is not made okay by the random chance that one can get an erection.

I'm not saying that. The usual use of exo. Testosterone is to add to gains or effects on LBM and fatloss, but its also required for day to day functions, like labido, CNS function and overall health.

But its not essential. One can cycle orals that inhibit of even shutdown the HPTA without a source of exo. Testosterone. Tbol, Var, Dbol (to some degree) and other androgens can be used effectively.

4) this was a direct answer to a question asked by the OP. I'm not insane, but I see how that looked out of context

5) has anyone ever considered a proviron only cycle? And even non-17's still have a degree of liver toxicity. I was just giving a general response to the OPs question of why he needs liver protection while on an oral cycle

Hepatoxicity is overrated, honestly. I know of some who have run 150-200mg/ED Anadrol for lengthy periods and are still alive, other's who have used 150-200mg/ED Winstrol who still grace this planet.

Pro's doses are out of this world, but they do encounter "serious health risks", although rare.

We"ll comprimise. Ill scream out I AM A DOUCHE!!! BETTER?

ha ha... I was only joking mate.

Much respect to you. I owe my whole planned pct to you.

Thanks, I hope it goes well. Let me know if you run into problems.

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