thanks for the compliments guys, although this picture is something like 6 years old. i was hoping just to provide a reference for all the blokes who think being an ectomorph or 'hardgainer' means you can't put on weight without drugs. like tank said its all about figuring out how your own body works and using your strengths. and then putting the time in. i wish i knew when i was 18 what i learned by the time i was 25. i didn't have forums like this to get all this info like people do nowadays.