Trenbolone E or Tren Ace?

[Z Life]

Stats:
6'1 214lbs 12/13% BF
27 years old, lifting sense high school.

Previous cycle of Test E 12 Weeks at 500mgs with a 4 week 30 mg Dbol kicker. Gained 24lbs and kept 18 of it.




Question - My source only has Trenbolone E. Whats the difference between it and Tren A? Inject frequency? Kick in time? I cant find much information about it seeing as how everyone runs Tren A. Mostly looking for information currently for my winter cycle.

Edit - I want to do a 10-16 week cycle. I would run the tren with Test E and possibly a 4 week dbol kicker. Clomid/Nolva PCT and possibly adex EOD as well as caber on hand ( doubt ill need it, want to do a lower dose of Tren ).

[Big]

for starters you need to understand esters, read this a couple times then get back with us and we'll go from there
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

[Z Life]

Damn. Thanks Big. That cleared it up a bit.

So running Test E and Tren E actually works quite well together due to the slower release of the compound. Thus making these two quite perfect for the longer cycle I would like to run.

What is the lowest mg per week you would reccomend BIG? My thinking is I will run the same cycle as my first only with the bare minimum amount of Tren E added. This will give me a good idea of how I react to Tren.

12-16 Week cycle. Dbol kickstart sense both my compounds are Esters. I will shoot the tren with the test together twice a week ( every 3.5 days ).

I would like to keep the Test at 500mg ( same as last cycle, once again for evaluation purposes of Tren ).

[Big]

we typically recommend tren a for the first run with tren, it can have some very harsh sides, and if you run tren a and don't respond well you can stop it and in a few days it clears your system. if you run tren e and can't handle the sides and stop it, you will still suffer the sides for weeks. I usually recommend around 350mg/week for tren first runs.

[dec11]

if you have bad sides with tren a you can stop and its outa your system in a few days, tren e however will linger for a few weeks, therefore on a 1st go with tren i'd go with tren a. i wouldnt hit tren in a 2nd cycle, best get more experienced

[dec11]

darn, just in b4 me Big lol

[Z Life]

if you have bad sides with tren a you can stop and its outa your system in a few days, tren e however will linger for a few weeks, therefore on a 1st go with tren i'd go with tren a. i wouldnt hit tren in a 2nd cycle, best get more experienced

I definatly understand what you meen about running it in a 2nd cycle. Nothing is set in stone. Truthfully I really wanted to run a Deca/Test E cycle but I have a very... active girlfriend and she would throw a fit if I couldnt perfom 24/7 haha.

I will consider what you have said declan. If I do chose to run Tren in my 2nd cycle was going to run it at a low dose. I know see big has reccomended 350 but even then I was only considering 300mg ( 150mg twice a week ). This was in hopes that I would notice the difference between just Test and the new compound of Tren in my cycle.

I have a few cycles setup that im debating between and I will continue to read and learn more. If I run Tren E/Test E it would look like as follows.

Week Compound

1 - 4 40mg Dbol
1 - 12 300mg Tren E ( 150 twice a week mixed with 250 Test E )
1 - 14 500mg Test E
1 - 4 Adex .25mg EOD ( To control Dbol bloat a bit )

16 - 20 Clomid 100/100/50/50
16 - 20 Nolva 50/50/20/20

I will have Adex on hand for weeks 5-14 as well just in case. I will also have cab for Tren ( doubt its nessecary at 300mg a week, never know though ).

[dec11]

im on my 1st run with tren a @350mg pw, only sides i have is i sweat much more while training etc and a slightly more firey temper. now i have a sneaky feeling that increasing dosage will greatly elevate these, so im unsure as to whether i can tolerate it ok or is it because 350mg is fairly low. i know i def wouldnt want the sweating to increase much more, simple things like mowing the lawn leave me drenched!

[Z Life]

im on my 1st run with tren a @350mg pw, only sides i have is i sweat much more while training etc and a slightly more firey temper. now i have a sneaky feeling that increasing dosage will greatly elevate these, so im unsure as to whether i can tolerate it ok or is it because 350mg is fairly low. i know i def wouldnt want the sweating to increase much more, simple things like mowing the lawn leave me drenched!

Ill make sure and add fresh bedsheets to my PCT if I run the Tren haha.

Hows the strength difference from Test alone and 350mg Tren added?

My girlfriends father is loaded and started paying a few of our bills... Food bill included this is making me want to do an extremely high calorie CLEAN bulk in the winter. Thats how tren caught my eye, figured it would be a good bulking compound to add with a huge calorie diet and manage to keep the fat gains somewhat minimal. That and I fear Deca Dick.

[dec11]

i was running 600mg test p/e with it, i noticed a big kick when i intro'd the tren, im now back down to my trt test dose of 200mg pw and have 2 more weeks of tren to go

[Z Life]

i was running 600mg test p/e with it, i noticed a big kick when i intro'd the tren, im now back down to my trt test dose of 200mg pw and have 2 more weeks of tren to go

Nice, sounds so tempting. Ill try my best to be patient :P if I cant help but use Tren, ill keep it at 300mg a week.

For anyone else wishing to comment here is my proposed cycle ( winter bulk )

Week Compound

1 - 4 40mg Dbol
1 - 12 300mg Tren E ( 150 twice a week mixed with 250 Test E )
1 - 14 500mg Test E
1 - 4 Adex .25mg EOD ( To control Dbol bloat a bit )

16 - 20 Clomid 100/100/50/50
16 - 20 Nolva 50/50/20/20

Edit - I may use to Adex throughout the cycle. I bloat hardcore.

[Ashop]

Stats:
6'1 214lbs 12/13% BF
27 years old, lifting sense high school.

Previous cycle of Test E 12 Weeks at 500mgs with a 4 week 30 mg Dbol kicker. Gained 24lbs and kept 18 of it.




Question - My source only has Trenbolone E. Whats the difference between it and Tren A? Inject frequency? Kick in time? I cant find much information about it seeing as how everyone runs Tren A. Mostly looking for information currently for my winter cycle.

Edit - I want to do a 10-16 week cycle. I would run the tren with Test E and possibly a 4 week dbol kicker. Clomid/Nolva PCT and possibly adex EOD as well as caber on hand ( doubt ill need it, want to do a lower dose of Tren ).

If you have never used the TREN'S then I would suggest using the faster actine TREN ACE. It easier to control sides and if you need to come off it wont linger in your body as long as the ENAN.

[Z Life]

If you have never used the TREN'S then I would suggest using the faster actine TREN ACE. It easier to control sides and if you need to come off it wont linger in your body as long as the ENAN.

I understand. Unfortunatly I dont have access to Tren A only Tren E. However, this cycle is a few months away and I will see what I can do.

That is also why I will only be running Tren E at 300mg a week. Low dose to ensure I dont get bitch slapped by the sides.

[dec11]

I understand. Unfortunatly I dont have access to Tren A only Tren E. However, this cycle is a few months away and I will see what I can do.

That is also why I will only be running Tren E at 300mg a week. Low dose to ensure I dont get bitch slapped by the sides.

u still may get sides at tht dose though

[Z Life]

u still may get sides at tht dose though

Time to see if im man enough to be using then

Aside from fresh bed sheets and some cab/viagra ( Doubt that dose will kill my libido, esp with 500mg test ) any other precautions I should take?

Oh and Declan. Are you running your Test 2 weeks longer then Tren? Then again your using different compounds. Should I run my Test E 2 weeks longer then my Tren E?

12 weeks of Tren/14 weeks of Test E seems a tad long. I had originally planned a 20 week cycle of Test 600mgs but backed off after some research.

[dec11]

Time to see if im man enough to be using then

Aside from fresh bed sheets and some cab/viagra ( Doubt that dose will kill my libido, esp with 500mg test ) any other precautions I should take?

Oh and Declan. Are you running your Test 2 weeks longer then Tren? Then again your using different compounds. Should I run my Test E 2 weeks longer then my Tren E?

12 weeks of Tren/14 weeks of Test E seems a tad long. I had originally planned a 20 week cycle of Test 600mgs but backed off after some research.

im on trt so makes no diff to me, 200mg pw forever. you really are better going 8wks tren a and 10-12 test e but if your def going for tren e, id do it for 10wks and test e for 12wks

[Z Life]

im on trt so makes no diff to me, 200mg pw forever. you really are better going 8wks tren a and 10-12 test e but if your def going for tren e, id do it for 10wks and test e for 12wks

Yea I will do my best to find some Tren A.

I take it anything longer then 10 wks tren E/12 wks Test E has diminishing returns?

I can afford to run the compounds anywhere from 12-18 weeks but aside from playing it smart to stay healthy I wasnt sure if the Tren would start to lose effectivness around week 12-14. Then again, I doubt I would stop seeing results. More like they would just slow?

[dec11]

Yea I will do my best to find some Tren A.

I take it anything longer then 10 wks tren E/12 wks Test E has diminishing returns?

I can afford to run the compounds anywhere from 12-18 weeks but aside from playing it smart to stay healthy I wasnt sure if the Tren would start to lose effectivness around week 12-14. Then again, I doubt I would stop seeing results. More like they would just slow?

10wks for tren and 12wks for test is plenty, as for diminishing gains, its hard to say, some can keep gaining but the majority wont see much more after 12wks test

[Z Life]

10wks for tren and 12wks for test is plenty, as for diminishing gains, its hard to say, some can keep gaining but the majority wont see much more after 12wks test

Awesome. Thanks for all the help Declan. Ill see if I can get Tren A instead but if not it looks like my winter bulk cycle is set.

Edit - Ah crap I knew I forgot something. Can I get your quick opinion on Adex through out cycle Declan? I definatly want to run .25mg ED weeks 1-4 with the Dbol. I blow up like a baloon. Will running Adex at .25mg EOD throughout my cycle negativly impact my gains? Will that small of a dose keep bloat in control?

[dec11]

Awesome. Thanks for all the help Declan. Ill see if I can get Tren A instead but if not it looks like my winter bulk cycle is set.

Edit - Ah crap I knew I forgot something. Can I get your quick opinion on Adex throught cycle Declan? I definatly want to run .25mg ED weeks 1-5 with the Dbol. I blow up like a baloon. Will running Adex at .25mg EOD throughout my cycle negativly impact my gains? Will that small of a dose keep bloat in control?

no prob. ive never used adex, basically have it on hand and use it if anything shows up. one of the others will chip in on this, im sure.

[amcon]

for starters you need to understand esters, read this a couple times then get back with us and we'll go from there
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

what ever he says

and the answer will be a

[Forever Dedicated]

12-16 Week cycle. Dbol kickstart sense both my compounds are Esters. I will shoot the tren with the test together twice a week ( every 3.5 days ).

Run the Tren 14 weeks and the Test E 16 Weeks.

Adex ED .25mg week 1-4 ( dbol ) and .25mg EOD week 5-16 to help bloat.


If this is your 2nd or 3rd cycle you will DEFINATLY still be seeing great results from Tren at 12-14 weeks as well as test at 12-16 weeks.

[dec11]

Run the Tren 14 weeks and the Test E 16 Weeks.

Adex ED .25mg week 1-4 ( dbol ) and .25mg EOD week 5-16 to help bloat.


If this is your 2nd or 3rd cycle you will DEFINATLY still be seeing great results from Tren at 12-14 weeks as well as test at 12-16 weeks.

bad advice, tren for 14wks? seriously...............

[Forever Dedicated]

bad advice, tren for 14wks? seriously...............

I see it commonly ran for 10-12 weeks all the time. The best gains on Tren E start around week 8/9... Tell me whats wrong with 14weeks of tren? Test 2 weeks longer then Tren ( 16 ).

Especially considering its his first time with tren and 1 of his first few cycles, he will continue to have great gains past week 12.

See thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ng+Tren+Cycles