if you look at Sylvester Stallone, at 60, he's pretty ripped. Obviously the HGH works and is not a waste of time. But it is a slow process, and the general consensus is six months should be the minimum cycle. Since HGH and Test are two different independent things, you can run them however you like, together, or seperate. If you read the HGH posts, you will learn that it takes awhile (weeks) before you will notice anything. But the same is true for test, that it takes a few weeks (depending) before you start noticing any effects. The bottom line is that your GH cycle will be much longer than your test cycle, so you can pretty much start GH right away, and do a second, concurrent test cycle whenever you think it's right. Just to make a point, you should probably think of it as two cycles, one for HGH, and the other for test, with both running at the same time. Some call it stacking, but I don't think that's accurate. HGH has little to do with test, it acts differently, you pin it differently, the cycle times are hugely different. Even the needle size is different. You don't need to run test to run HGH, and visa versa. So really, it's an open field. You need to come up with what's best for you and your finances/circumstances.