Extreme estrogen! Help!

[SilverTest]

well first of all get another doc, because clomid does NOT lower estrogen, it only blocks it at the receptor. To lower estrogen you need an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex, aromasin or letro.

you obviously produce a lot of estrogen naturally, the clomid you took raised your test which actually raised your estrogen.

more testosterone means there is more to convert = more estrogen.

[BJJ]

Alright, I have been put on Clomid 25mg by an urologist who claims it should lower my estrogen levels.

Tests before therapy:
Testosterone 6.67 ng/ml (2.86 - 15.10)
LH 4.60 mME/ml (1.24 - 7.80)
FSH 0.70 mME/ml (1.00 - 13.58)
Estradiol 58.5 pg/ml (19.0 - 56.0) - huh?
SGBH 49 nmol/l (13-71)
DHEA-S 8.44 mcmol/l (7.60 - 17.40)
B-hCG <1.0 mME/ml (0.0 - 2.5)

After 10 days on Clomid I was supposed to pause for 10 days, do a hormone panel on 14th day and resume Clomid for days 20-30.

A few days after I started Clomid I started having puffy nipples, which my doctor said is impossible since Clomid is an anti-estrogen.

On 14th day I did my panel again:
Testosterone 11.7 ng/ml (2.86 - 15.10)
Estradiol 118 pg/ml (19.0 - 56.0)
Prolactin 5.8 ng/ml (2.1 - 17.7)

WHY? Or are such numbers normal mid-therapy? Should I start AI (e.g. Armidex)? Or get another doc?!

Help!

both of them

well first of all get another doc, because clomid does NOT lower estrogen, it only blocks it at the receptor. To lower estrogen you need an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex, aromasin or letro.

you obviously produce a lot of estrogen naturally, the clomid you took raised your test which actually raised your estrogen.

more testosterone means there is more to convert = more estrogen.

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[Zippon]

Ok, I messed up the reference values for DHT. My results are:
DHT 3800 pg/ml (250 - 990)
Still, four times too much.

I won't go to that doctor again, don't worry. But I have some strange hormonal issues to fix.

I will retest test+E2+prog in a week - an increase in test effected by clomid should pass by then - to see if finasteride is necessary.

Thank you for your comments!

[BJJ]

Ok, I messed up the reference values for DHT. My results are:
DHT 3800 pg/ml (250 - 990)
Still, four times too much. yes, but now it makes sense

I won't go to that doctor again, don't worry. good call But I have some strange hormonal issues to fix.

I will retest test+E2+prog in a week - an increase in test effected by clomid should pass by then - to see if finasteride is necessary. keep us posted

Thank you for your comments!

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[Zippon]

Alright, guys, I'm back.

Even since I've done clomid my estrogen remains sky-high!

Here are the results from my previous tests:

Testosterone 04/08/2010 10.90 ng/ml 2.86 - 15.10
Estradiol 04/08/2010 73.6 pg/ml 19.0 - 56.0

Testosterone 02/09/2010 7.14 ng/ml 2.86 - 15.10
Prolactin 02/09/2010 7.2 ng/ml 2.1 - 17.7
Estradiol 02/09/2010 61.9++ pg/ml 19.0 - 56.0
Progresterone 02/09/2010 0.48 ng/ml 0.27 - 0.90

Then I started eating zinc which is supposed to be a mild aromatase and 5-AR inhibitor. And BAM!

Testosterone 13/10/2010 7.24 ng/ml 2.86 - 15.10
Estradiol 13/10/2010 79.3++ pg/ml 19.0 - 56.0

Worse than ever. (T/E ratio).

I tried Arimidex, but it barely lowered my Estradiol! I am starting to suspect that this insane amount of estrogens is not due to aromatization.

Your ideas?

[n00bs]

So how old are you?


Have you used aas?

Whats your cortisol, thyroid hormones?

Are you 1billion% certain that DHT number is correct?

You said you tried adex, how long for a few days? Things take time.... How much did you try you need to post more info on your protocols otherwise no one has any idea whats going on.