deca/winstrol cycle

[gregghowie]

To the contrary, this is a very wise cycle. The steroids support each other in anabolic action, Deca heals joints that Winstrol damages, Winstrol acts as an anti-progestin and blocks Deca's progestagenic effects.

You shouldn't forget that everybody is different. Don't press testosterone to all people, when they don't need it and may lose more than they gain. I have once used nandrolone, and I wouldn't know that something like "Deca dick" exists, unless I read about it in the internet. Similarly, now I use oxandrolone that allegedly "shuts people down hard", but I feel fine like never before on a steroid cycle. There exist general guidances, but you can't simply say, how the stuff will work in you, unless you test it.

As for hair loss, this is a pretty safe cycle, if the doses of Winstrol are not too high. However, Mr. Divesolid should list exact doses. I can't judge anything from mililiters of oil or water.

Steroidman 99

I must say I have to agree with you there. I read a number of medical journals and information about the history of these drugs and why they were initally used in the medical world. I have to say that I have read about this cycle before (not the specifics of he cycle just the drugs in use) and from my understanding it allows for moderate gans with less of the problematic side affects. Only Since I have come onto this forum do I read that everybody pushes test and I just cant always see the reasoning. I understand that test can have less negative affects on the body but what about the severe side affects asscciated with it?

[Big]

Steroidman 99

I must say I have to agree with you there. I read a number of medical journals and information about the history of these drugs and why they were initally used in the medical world, . I have to say that I have read about this cycle before (not the specifics of he cycle just the drugs in use) and from my understanding it allows for moderate gans with less of the problematic side affects. Only Since I have come onto this forum do I read that everybody pushes test and I just cant always see the reasoning. I understand that test can have less negative affects on the body but what about the severe side affects asscciated with it?

the thing is, many medical journals were written by people who read studies that were compiled by people who read journals... how many of the authors do you think used these compounds at various dosages to see how they were affected? how many controlled studies do you think were performed where participants were given the doses of these compounds bodybuilders would use for several weeks while the results were logged? medical doses are no where near the equivalent of the doses we would use.
what you have here are some of the most experienced users you are likely to find in one place, and many of us have used ourselves as guinea pigs over the years to see what works. we aren't referencing journals, we are referencing what actually happened to us. when hundreds of guys have the same effect from something, than the occasional 1 goes against the grain, I wouldn't be so quick to side with the 1.
sure there are lots of boards where the members post lots of ignorant cycles, here we offer the safest advice with the best interest of the user in mind. you won't find that everywhere.

[gregghowie]

the thing is, many medical journals were written by people who read studies that were compiled by people who read journals... how many of the authors do you think used these compounds at various dosages to see how they were affected? how many controlled studies do you think were performed where participants were given the doses of these compounds bodybuilders would use for several weeks while the results were logged? medical doses are no where near the equivalent of the doses we would use.
what you have here are some of the most experienced users you are likely to find in one place, and many of us have used ourselves as guinea pigs over the years to see what works. we aren't referencing journals, we are referencing what actually happened to us. when hundreds of guys have the same effect from something, than the occasional 1 goes against the grain, I wouldn't be so quick to side with the 1.
sure there are lots of boards where the members post lots of ignorant cycles, here we offer the safest advice with the best interest of the user in mind. you won't find that everywhere.

Understood. Not trying to take sides here by any means. I hear what you are saying. I appreciate the fact that you are an experinced member in the use of AAS, and that your information hold weight. As I think all to often people just give it the "when in doubt take test".

[Big]

Understood. Not trying to take sides here by any means. I hear what you are saying. I appreciate the fact that you are an experinced member in the use of AAS, and that your information hold weight. As I think all to often people just give it the "when in doubt take test".

I agree that it is often parroted, just like the "there is no good oral cycle" or "test always has to be higher than deca". in my opinion there are some cycles that are fine without test as a base, but the one proposed in this thread isn't one of them.