TRT Program - Vetteman08

[Vettester]

of the different gear you've cycled into your TRT what would you say delivered the best all around desired effect?

Well that's the thing, I haven't thrown all that much in. I'm on a fairly small dose of deca, which has delivered on its promise to help with joint relief. As far as strength gains and muscle goes, I noticed those results with the Anavar. I really started to see some changes after about 4 weeks. By week 5 I was starting to see some enhanced vascular definition. This was at 50mg/ed ... Again, I'd probably ramp that up to 80mg/ed down the road. Keep in mind that I took the Anavar with and during the deca, so maybe they both should get some credit when stacked together.

Also forgot to mention that I tried some SARM's at the first of the year. Noticed vision trouble, and there seemed to be some controversy at the time with what the stuff was being made of. Not saying anything bad about it, but it just wasn't for me. That was pretty much the end of that.

[eregitano]

Well that's the thing, I haven't thrown all that much in. I'm on a fairly small dose of deca, which has delivered on its promise to help with joint relief. As far as strength gains and muscle goes, I noticed those results with the Anavar. I really started to see some changes after about 4 weeks. By week 5 I was starting to see some enhanced vascular definition. This was at 50mg/ed ... Again, I'd probably ramp that up to 80mg/ed down the road. Keep in mind that I took the Anavar with and during the deca, so maybe they both should get some credit when stacked together.

Also forgot to mention that I tried some SARM's at the first of the year. Noticed vision trouble, and there seemed to be some controversy at the time with what the stuff was being made of. Not saying anything bad about it, but it just wasn't for me. That was pretty much the end of that.

I know you mentioned that Anavar did not have any fat burning qualities per say, however isn't increased vascularity generally associated with fat loss? How about muscle hardening and water retention with the anavar? As you know I'm looking for something to help with those two items specifically.

[Vettester]

I know you mentioned that Anavar did not have any fat burning qualities per say, however isn't increased vascularity generally associated with fat loss? How about muscle hardening and water retention with the anavar? As you know I'm looking for something to help with those two items specifically.

Keep in mind that my views on Anavar and its use for burning fat is just that ... It's only my views & personal opinion. There are some clinical studies out there that indicate some positive results with fat loss while on Anavar. However, if BF is really high and it's a major priority, then IMO a individual will be miles ahead with dialing in their diet first, and going to town with a committed cardio program.

For the price you pay for this stuff, I think it will contribute a hell of a lot more bang for the buck to use it as a product for building, not for dropping. If I really wanted something to help with dropping BF, I'd personally take a look at a Clen/T3 combo or something like that (in conjunction with the diet and cardio).

Yes, I like the muscle hardening attributes, especially during the last few weeks that I was on it. I've had a little water retention, but that started when I began the deca, so I can't really pin that on Anavar.

[rmacgurn]

Keep in mind that my views on Anavar and its use for burning fat is just that ... It's only my views & personal opinion. There are some clinical studies out there that indicate some positive results with fat loss while on Anavar. However, if BF is really high and it's a major priority, then IMO a individual will be miles ahead with dialing in their diet first, and going to town with a committed cardio program.

For the price you pay for this stuff, I think it will contribute a hell of a lot more bang for the buck to use it as a product for building, not for dropping. If I really wanted something to help with dropping BF, I'd personally take a look at a Clen/T3 combo or something like that (in conjunction with the diet and cardio).

Yes, I like the muscle hardening attributes, especially during the last few weeks that I was on it. I've had a little water retention, but that started when I began the deca, so I can't really pin that on Anavar.

Geeze i was typing my thoughts before your post went up, and now it looks like i plagiarize your reply...guess i have to wait a bit more next time...haha

[Vettester]

Geeze i was typing my thoughts before your post went up, and now it looks like i plagiarize your reply...guess i have to wait a bit more next time...haha

I'm just glad my notes were on the same page as you. Your knowledge is astonishing!!!! I mean that in all sincerity.

[rmacgurn]

I know you mentioned that Anavar did not have any fat burning qualities per say, however isn't increased vascularity generally associated with fat loss? How about muscle hardening and water retention with the anavar? As you know I'm looking for something to help with those two items specifically.

For fat loss best is cardio, 45min 3 or 4 times a week will do the trick. And of course watch your carb intake, snacks, sugars, etc. Var is associated with lean mass gains, slow and consistent, that stay with you. There are a few steroids that will do that (Eq, Var, Primo) but none are a part of TRT. I have only used it at 30-40mg/day but dropped it due to lipid profile issues. Longer term HGH will increase you lean mass and help with fat loss. And you can stay on it for a very long time without worry about lipids or liver issues. You can also try to check your thyroid values and look into adding t3 if blood tests support it. That will help burn cals.

you mention hardening muscles, well if you know your E2 is high you can try to lower it (with an AI) and that will suck out some water giving you a harder look, but be careful how low you go in TRT something in the range of 20-35 is what you can shoot for.

[Vettester]

^^^ Good point on the lipids ... This is exactly why I mentioned in my original post about taking a liquid injection version of Anavar. Main purpose to avoid that first pass through the liver.

[eregitano]

Keep in mind that my views on Anavar and its use for burning fat is just that ... It's only my views & personal opinion. There are some clinical studies out there that indicate some positive results with fat loss while on Anavar. However, if BF is really high and it's a major priority, then IMO a individual will be miles ahead with dialing in their diet first, and going to town with a committed cardio program.

For the price you pay for this stuff, I think it will contribute a hell of a lot more bang for the buck to use it as a product for building, not for dropping. If I really wanted something to help with dropping BF, I'd personally take a look at a Clen/T3 combo or something like that (in conjunction with the diet and cardio).

Yes, I like the muscle hardening attributes, especially during the last few weeks that I was on it. I've had a little water retention, but that started when I began the deca, so I can't really pin that on Anavar.

For fat loss best is cardio, 45min 3 or 4 times a week will do the trick. And of course watch your carb intake, snacks, sugars, etc. Var is associated with lean mass gains, slow and consistent, that stay with you. There are a few steroids that will do that (Eq, Var, Primo) but none are a part of TRT. I have only used it at 30-40mg/day but dropped it due to lipid profile issues. Longer term HGH will increase you lean mass and help with fat loss. And you can stay on it for a very long time without worry about lipids or liver issues. You can also try to check your thyroid values and look into adding t3 if blood tests support it. That will help burn cals.

you mention hardening muscles, well if you know your E2 is high you can try to lower it (with an AI) and that will suck out some water giving you a harder look, but be careful how low you go in TRT something in the range of 20-35 is what you can shoot for.

thanks for the info, this is very helpful as I make my way through moving forward. Getting my e2 score back this week which will def help me decide what I want to do next. My diet is relatively clean, and I hit the cardio hard 3 days a week and have a challenging 3 day a week weight routine.