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    I applaud your thoroughness, though with a beginner cycle like that, HCG really won't be necessary. 75kg is only 165 lbs. How tall are you?

    As far as exercise, I really, really like DC's training style. I used to lift the "conventional" method for years, and I tried DC about 2 years ago. Loved it so much that I wouldn't lift any other way.

    As far as diet, check out the Harris-Benedict equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris-Benedict_equation
    Last edited by Blue Monkey; 07-10-2010 at 05:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Monkey View Post
    I applaud your thoroughness, though with a beginner cycle like that, HCG really won't be necessary. 75kg is only 165 lbs. How tall are you?

    As far as exercise, I really, really like DC's training style. I used to lift the "conventional" method for years, and I tried DC about 2 years ago. Loved it so much that I wouldn't lift any other way.

    As far as diet, check out the Harris-Benedict equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris-Benedict_equation
    What are you basing this off of?

    Testicular atrophy can occur at a much lower dose than that.

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    I would do lower than 500mg Test for a first cycle, but maybe that's just me.
    I would also do 23g or even 25g needles (I find 22g scary and mostly I use 25g with no problems).
    Well i guess 500 mg will be optimum to get some gains. Since in Test E ... dose injected is directly proportional to muscular gains, i think 500 mg will be ok to get significant gains.
    I don't have needle phobia of any sorts, and these needles are available free to me. But i will try 23g ones to see if i am more comfortable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noles12 View Post
    What are you basing this off of?

    Testicular atrophy can occur at a much lower dose than that.
    Well that's why i am reluctant to strike off HCG completely from the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest View Post
    Well i guess 500 mg will be optimum to get some gains. Since in Test E ... dose injected is directly proportional to muscular gains, i think 500 mg will be ok to get significant gains.
    I don't have needle phobia of any sorts, and these needles are available free to me. But i will try 23g ones to see if i am more comfortable.



    Well that's why i am reluctant to strike off HCG completely from the list.
    IMO you can run it without it but to say that there would be no reason for it is wrong. It is used due to the testicular atrophy which can occur at lower doses than this because you are shutting down your bodies natural test production therefore your testes will not be needed by the body and they shrink. I have run cycles without it and experienced atrophy. But i still recovered fine after my PCT.

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