How much fat can you loose on a var only cycle?

[40plusnewbie]

So, are you saying that you would recommend Anavar to someone looking to lose BF?

No I am not and would not say that. I would recommend a sound nutritional program, but depending on the person's stage of change and my best guess of their ability to be consistent, I may recommend setting small, reasonable goals for someone obese or morbidly obese. I would also recommend cardio/exercise, again, with different short-term mini-goals based on the person's readiness for change/ability.

[G4R]

No I am not and would not say that. I would recommend a sound nutritional program, but depending on the person's stage of change and my best guess of their ability to be consistent, I may recommend setting small, reasonable goals for someone obese or morbidly obese. I would also recommend cardio/exercise, again, with different short-term mini-goals based on the person's readiness for change/ability.

Well I have seen your pics, and I will admit that you did very well, but, even with var, and even with the results you had, I could never recommend to someone with a high BF% to run any steroid, even var. Regardless of the fact that it does aromatize, any steroid can cause elevated blood pressure, and raise cholesterol levels, especially in someone with a high BF%.

Again, you had good results, but I still see the risk ratio as outweighing the benifit ratio for someone with high BF.

Just my opinion

[40plusnewbie]

Well I have seen your pics, and I will admit that you did very well, but, even with var, and even with the results you had, I could never recommend to someone with a high BF% to run any steroid, even var. Regardless of the fact that it does aromatize, any steroid can cause elevated blood pressure, and raise cholesterol levels, especially in someone with a high BF%.

Again, you had good results, but I still see the risk ratio as outweighing the benifit ratio for someone with high BF.

Just my opinion

My cholesterol at the start of the cycle was 136! Not much risk as that is excellent prob better than 90% of the people on this forum, if not more, and I was obese at the time.

I had low-normal bp as well. So not the average fattie. The underlying factors such as those make a big difference. I would guess that someone younger, not obese, and with high bp and high cholesterol would be at greater risk than I was given those factors.

I could be wrong as I am no expert but I had huge latitude for cholesterol jump. And my bp has always been good, even when I was 295lbs. Thursday it was 100 over 64.

[G4R]

My cholesterol at the start of the cycle was 136! Not much risk as that is excellent (1) prob better than 90% of the people on this forum, if not more, and I was obese at the time.

(2) I had low-normal bp as well. So not the average fattie. The underlying factors such as those make a big difference. (3) I would guess that someone younger, not obese, and with high bp and high cholesterol would be at greater risk than I was given those factors.

1) That may be true, and having that thought for me would be all the more reason not to suggest any steroid until proper cholesterol readings were done.

2) Again, if your blood pressure was lower than the average person that was your size, then the more reason not to suggest any steroid.

3) You would be right. Someone who is younger, and doesnt have a high BF%, but, had high blood pressure and high cholesterol levels would be at risk, but that is why we try to tell people to get their bloodwork done, and get proper testing done.

Even as you said, you would recommend that cardio and diet be the key, but you also said that given certain change of stage, and their ability to stay consistant, you would have no problem recommending a steroid such as Anavar. Why recommend a steroid, when a steroid is not needed to accomplish their goal?

People who want to use steroids to accomplish a goal they can obtain naturally are looking for a short cut. People who are looking for the short cut to obtain their goal, odds are they dont have the dedication to get there.

[40plusnewbie]

1) but you also said that given certain change of stage, and their ability to stay consistant, you would have no problem recommending a steroid such as Anavar.

I don't believe I ever said this. What I would recommend to someone who would unlikely be able to be consistent is to set baby goals of a certain number of meal substitutions per week, if they eat bad 95% of the time maybe a first step is to focus on eating good 15% of the time rather than 5% of the time. At 295lbs. I was hopeless and believed that I was so fat it was hopeless, I would never be able to loose 75lbs so why even try. Which would make me depressed and I would eat more because I was depressed. When I started to look at my situation differently, focusing on what I could accomplish on a particular day, eating a healthy dinner instead of fast food... I started to see results. The results gave me hope, I entered a positive cycle of change that fed off itself, getting me down to 250lbs. Then I got stuck. I was at 250lbs for like 5-6 months then made a decision to use anavar to kickstart more positive change in the form of reducing bf after studying the risk factors of the substance and looking into how my particular situation fit re: risk.
Since I had excellent cholesterol readings and low/normal blood pressure, being hairy as an ape with very thick hair, I decided that I was not at any high risk. Blood pressure is easy to self monitor.

I used anavar as a short cut. I am glad I did. I understood the risks vs. rewards in my particular case pretty well I think. Now I am not obese which definitely reduces my chances of re-developing high cholesterol (it was as high as 278 at one point, I knocked it back with nutrition and supplements) or developing high blood pressure or diabetes which I would be at increased risk for if I remained obese. So my, IMO, relatively low risk short cut was very effective in not only changing my body image and improving my self esteem (a minor benefit) it was also very effective in helping me kick start a process of avoiding developing risk factors of early death that are often associated with obesity.

This does not mean that I would recommend anyone else do it. I made a choice to do it for myself and am glad I did. I don't consider myself qualified to give advice on steroid use to others, I just shared my personal experience in doing so in a thread/log. Whenever I talk about var to someone in real life, like my bro in law who is a body builder who thought it was impossible to obtain steroids any longer in the usa, I warn him of the risks and encourage him to be mindful of all the risk factors, particularly the HBP/ High Cholesterol. I also just shared my personal experience with him, I do not encourage the use of steroids for anyone, at least I don't think I do.

If someone wants to interpret my sharing my personal experience as encouraging someone, well, I am only responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for what someone else might think I mean.