Can I run winny at end of test cycle?

[excelate]

First things first...why not start at age 25? Going from 500-750-500 is not needed and sticking to straight 500 is fine,You have growth left at 172 pounds as well.

Well I have been working out for over 10 years and haven'd really been able to gain any more muscle then I already have in the past 4 years so I thought I would do a cycle to help push me past that point I was stuck at.

[G4R]

Well I have been working out for over 10 years and haven'd really been able to gain any more muscle then I already have in the past 4 years so I thought I would do a cycle to help push me past that point I was stuck at.

So what have you done with your diet to help get the gains you are looking for? You shouldnt be on any cycle, and besides that, if you are not on a good bulking diet, then steroids alone are not going to get you to where you want to be.

So what does your diet look like?

[excelate]

So what have you done with your diet to help get the gains you are looking for? You shouldnt be on any cycle, and besides that, if you are not on a good bulking diet, then steroids alone are not going to get you to where you want to be.

So what does your diet look like?

I havent really been eating to bulk because I want to cut up my stomach. So far I am happy with my strength and muscle gains but at the same time im working on losing fat. Heres an example of what I ate yesterday, eggwhite sandwitch on multigrain bread, turkey sandwitch on multigrain, protein shake, grilled chicken and pasta.

[Neevor]

I havent really been eating to bulk because I want to cut up my stomach. So far I am happy with my strength and muscle gains but at the same time im working on losing fat..

Wow, the vets are really stickin it to you in this thread. Sucks to be you.

I'll point out one more thing since no one else seems to have yet... your first cycle should really just be one component. So you know how your body reacts to test in your PCT... You wanna learn these things. If you run win it will change your PCT experience and its important to know how your body reacts to test alone since its going to be the major chem in every cycle you'll run in the future. Save the Win for next time homey.

Oh, you should be trying to put on muscle first. Cutting cycles seem to be touchier and harder to do (require more discipline IMHO). This summer was my first real cutting cycle and its my 5th year of straight bodybuilding (weights for sports like football before that for the previous 10 years). When I started the vet who helped get me get started told me the same. Spend a few years increasing your muscle, dont worry about being ripped, you've got pleanty of time for that when you're huge, plus its a lot easier to lose fat when you've got muscles to burn the calories.

Oh, (last "oh" I promise)... it sounds like your "source" is a buddy or gym acquaintance or something. I've never met a dude who'd sell $#!t to a newb who had any real idea what he was doing. It seems most of them are meat heads who just know what they know through buddies who also had no clue. Probably better not to listen to him again and come here and read.

[excelate]

Wow, the vets are really stickin it to you in this thread. Sucks to be you.

I'll point out one more thing since no one else seems to have yet... your first cycle should really just be one component. So you know how your body reacts to test in your PCT... You wanna learn these things. If you run win it will change your PCT experience and its important to know how your body reacts to test alone since its going to be the major chem in every cycle you'll run in the future. Save the Win for next time homey.

Oh, you should be trying to put on muscle first. Cutting cycles seem to be touchier and harder to do (require more discipline IMHO). This summer was my first real cutting cycle and its my 5th year of straight bodybuilding (weights for sports like football before that for the previous 10 years). I started the vet who helped get me get started told me the same. Spend a few years increasing your muscle, dont worry about being ripped, you've
got pleanty of time for that when you're huge, plus its a lot easier to lose fat when you've got muscles to burn the calories.

Oh, (last "oh" I promise)... it sounds like your "source" is a buddy or gym acquaintance or something. I've never met a dude who'd sell $#!t to a
newb who had any real idea what he was doing. It seems most of them are
meat heads who just know what they know through buddies who also had no
clue. Probably better not to listen to him again and come here and
read.

thank you neevor, you are the only one who offered any actual helpful advice instead of blasting me and everything you said made sense. So I will keep my first cycle simple with just the test. What pct would you recommend for me? Also, one person said my diet was not good enough instead of explaining how I can improve it, so maybe you can tell me how it needs to be changed. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

[G4R]

thank you neevor, you are the only one who offered any actual helpful advice instead of blasting me and everything you said made sense. So I will keep my first cycle simple with just the test. What pct would you recommend for me? Also, one person said my diet was not good enough instead of explaining how I can improve it, so maybe you can tell me how it needs to be changed. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

We have done nothing but give you helpful advice, its just not the advice you want to hear.

In reference to the diet statement, that was me
I didnt explain how to improve it because you never told me what yours currently consisted of. You told me a few things you ate the other day.... that doesnt help.

[excelate]

We have done nothing but give you helpful advice, its just not the advice you want to hear.

In reference to the diet statement, that was me
I didnt explain how to improve it because you never told me what yours currently consisted of. You told me a few things you ate the other day.... that doesnt help.

Well thats true, I dont want to hear that I shouldn't be on cycle lol. Ok what are the specifics you want to know about my diet? I try to eat mostly lean meats high in protein, I stay away from fatty and fried foods, I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables, peanut butter, fish, protein shakes, brown rice, not a lot of carbs, and I try to eat 5 small meals when I am able to (throughout the day) You know, all the healthy stuff.