First cycle results

[dec11]

lol oooo

lol, the latest influx on the block........

[no1tou]

ok...see...this is the problem with forums like these. you get a new guy who speaks the truth, and because some other guy has a few thousand posts, people just believe everything he says and disregard the new guy lol.

first off (sportbikebob)...I NEVER said i gained 50lbs on my bench in a 6 weeks. i'm comparing muscle gains, not strength gains. and let's see if that 50lbs that was "gained" on your bench will still be there after pct lol. the thing that gets me here is:

1) the fact that you guys think gaining 1.5lbs a week naturally, is some sort of amazing feat.

2) the fact that you think i'm lying.

what in the world would i have to gain by lying on a forum? seriously...if you think i'm lying, then it's obvious you either never had a solid diet to begin with, or are just talking trash because you don't want to be proven wrong on some internet forum. either way...it's not getting you or anyone else, anywhere.

and once again...i'm NOT trying to flame anyone, so if it comes off that way, it's not my intention. but unless you're lightyears past your genetic peak, gaining 1.5 to 2lbs a week NATURALLY, is extremely possible for anyone who works out hard, and diets properly. and no offense...but if it took you (dec11) 17 years to get to where you're at in that pic (with or without gear) then you shouldn't be giving advice. and with that, i'm out of this thread. take it for what it's worth...don't take it...it makes no difference to me. it's your bodies not mine

Obviously you missed the part where I said I finished PCT over a week ago.

As for gaining weight natural trust me I can gain and loose like clock work but to gain 10-15lbs solid weight natural thats bs. If it were that easy test shows and events would look much different! lol

[no1tou]

good going, i always found my appetite dwindled during pct and found it hard to eat, trt put a stop to that lol. if your not doing so already, you should consider creatine hmb and zma now, i found 'em a big help.

Yeah I was forcing myself to eat at times. I have been using creatine but only post work out. Whats hmb and zma?

[dec11]

Yeah I was forcing myself to eat at times. I have been using creatine but only post work out. Whats hmb and zma?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-Hy...ylbutyric_acid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement)

there ya go, study at your leisure. both excellent supps, there have been reports that hmb is only beneficial for maybe a few years of reg usage, i dont know if theres any particular reason or truth to that though. zma gives great strength and improves sleep, although tht particular article doesnt suggest so lol, it works for me and alot of training partners ive had over he years

[Dr Pepper]

Hey sportbikebob, great thread besides the gambling, lol... Can u post all at once ur stats before cycle, after cycle and after pct?

Sorry but I'm on my iPhone and it's taking me forever to go through...

[no1tou]

Hey sportbikebob, great thread besides the gambling, lol... Can u post all at once ur stats before cycle, after cycle and after pct?

Sorry but I'm on my iPhone and it's taking me forever to go through...

Before cycle
6'
187lbs
bf% not sure maybe someone can tell from pic?

Post cycle
206lbs
bf% a little less then before cycle

Post PCT today
206lbs
bf% a hair higher then post cycle

[jester4710]

So far so good on my first day of PCT. I assume it will prob be at least a week before I feel or notice anything. Hopefully I will be lucky as I was on cycle and have minimal sides.

When you say," hopefully i will be lucky as i was on cycle and have minimal sides." What do you mean?

Did you have any side when you were on cycle?

[marcus300]

Calm down guys, keep the thread on track

[no1tou]

When you say," hopefully i will be lucky as i was on cycle and have minimal sides." What do you mean?

Did you have any side when you were on cycle?

I was hoping to not get any sides during PCT from the novla and the clomid. I heard many people get depressed, lose appetite, get acne, feel lethargic, etc.

I definitely felt lethargic but other then that good. Two days after PCT I got my energy back.

[cybernox]

I was hoping to not get any sides during PCT from the novla and the clomid. I heard many people get depressed, lose appetite, get acne, feel lethargic, etc.

I definitely felt lethargic but other then that good. Two days after PCT I got my energy back.

what about sleep ?.

[dec11]

I was hoping to not get any sides during PCT from the novla and the clomid. I heard many people get depressed, lose appetite, get acne, feel lethargic, etc.

I definitely felt lethargic but other then that good. Two days after PCT I got my energy back.

your one of the lucky ones, i always struggled through pct's, hated em

[no1tou]

what about sleep ?.

Sleep has always been a problem for me. When I was little I had insomnia and I have always had a hard time getting to sleep. On cycle I had to take melatonin to get to sleep. I continued to take it through out PCT. Helped a lot!

[cybernox]

Sleep has always been a problem for me. When I was little I had insomnia and I have always had a hard time getting to sleep. On cycle I had to take melatonin to get to sleep. I continued to take it through out PCT. Helped a lot!

Continues use of melatonin can interfere with libido. You shouldnt take melatonin more than 8 to 10 weeks. Try getting off or minimizing the use.

[no1tou]

Continues use of melatonin can interfere with libido. You should take melatonin more than 8 to 10 weeks. Try getting off or minimizing the use.

Oh I didn't know that! Good lookin out!

[cybernox]

Oh I didn't know that! Good lookin out!

Sorry for missing that NOT. "You shouldnt take melatonin more than 8 to 10 weeks."

Continues use of melatonin can interfere with libido. You shouldnt take melatonin more than 8 to 10 weeks. Try getting off or minimizing the use.

[Td00]

Continues use of melatonin can interfere with libido. You shouldnt take melatonin more than 8 to 10 weeks. Try getting off or minimizing the use.

I've been using melatonin for more than a year nonstop and my libido is up to the roof.

[no1tou]

I've been using melatonin for more than a year nonstop and my libido is up to the roof.

Good cause it's almost 1am and I am not tired at all. I need some.

[Td00]

Good cause it's almost 1am and I am not tired at all. I need some.

I've been through many sleeping pills and techniques, i tryied real sleeping pills that really worked but i was afraid of becoming addicted to then, then tryied the "natural" pills and didn't feel a thing, finally i gave a try to melatonin, took 3mg and it worked great, then reduced it to .75mg and it works as good as 3mg.

[lucas7]

Just wondering how many sets per workout and how many sets per body part you done a week ? did your workouts last aroung 45 mins ?

[no1tou]

I've been through many sleeping pills and techniques, i tryied real sleeping pills that really worked but i was afraid of becoming addicted to then, then tryied the "natural" pills and didn't feel a thing, finally i gave a try to melatonin, took 3mg and it worked great, then reduced it to .75mg and it works as good as 3mg.

I'll try .75mg

[no1tou]

Just wondering how many sets per workout and how many sets per body part you done a week ? did your workouts last aroung 45 mins ?

It varies a little from week to week but here is an example of my Monday-chest, tri's, bi's work out. I hit each muscle two to three times. Two sets are muscle specific and one is a compound set.

flat bench 4 sets
first set 125x10-warm up
second set 225x8
third set 365x1-max
4th set (drop set) starting at 315 and going to failure then dropping by 20lbs and going to failure each time till just the bar.

Using the same technique as above for every work out

curved bar curls
dumbbell flys
skull crushers using the hammer curl bar
dumbbell curls
curved bar reverse curls

This work out usually takes about hour and a half. This is longer then most like but this seems to be what works best for me. Most of my work outs take 1.5-2 hours.

[lucas7]

well thats interesting that you work out for that long i start getting paranoid that im over training after 45 mins lol ill try working out for 1 hour and 20 mins see how it goes .... cheers man

[no1tou]

well thats interesting that you work out for that long i start getting paranoid that im over training after 45 mins lol ill try working out for 1 hour and 20 mins see how it goes .... cheers man

If I don't work out this long or do at least that many sets I don't feel it. Most times I'm not even sore the next day.

However I only train 3 days a week. I try to never go two days in a row. Have all that time to heal was the most important this I ever found for me. Over training gave me amazing stamina but horrible strength and size results.

[dec11]

well thats interesting that you work out for that long i start getting paranoid that im over training after 45 mins lol ill try working out for 1 hour and 20 mins see how it goes .... cheers man

bear in mind tht its a 3 day split so each workout will be longer. 3 day splits have always worked best for me also,doinf 5-6 days single body parts tend to hit small assistant muscle groups to often imo

[gym_junki]

good job looking good and good to hear ur pct went well. how many mgs of tren a week did u take?

[no1tou]

good job looking good and good to hear ur pct went well. how many mgs of tren a week did u take?

30mg a day so 210mg a week. It was a pack of orals my bud had sitting around and he offered them for free so I said what the hell!

[xMRxCOMPLETEx]

Damn bro nice. Im lookin to do the same cycle for my first time minus the tren. Impressive

[no1tou]

Damn bro nice. Im lookin to do the same cycle for my first time minus the tren. Impressive

Good idea! I would not suggest the tren to anyone. I was doing fine with out it and honestly it made very little difference and the sides were definitely not worth it. It shut me down right away and made me feel horrible from the third day I started it till the third week of PCT.

I will do another test dbol cycle for sure.

[SoFloTC]

damn... so any lose in size or strength yet?

[ninesecz]

Do you have any pictures from the day you started the opral tren?? I would like to see BB4, B4 Oral tren and then after just to see how much those 3 weeks on the methyltrienolone did for you! I know thery worked wonders for me! Let us know! Great job by the way looks likwe you put on a nice quality 8-=15# of Muskle!!!

[no1tou]

damn... so any lose in size or strength yet?

Very little of each. I lost about a pound. My strength is a hair down in bench. Like 5lbs down but my legs are still gaining and my deads are still going up great!

[no1tou]

Do you have any pictures from the day you started the opral tren?? I would like to see BB4, B4 Oral tren and then after just to see how much those 3 weeks on the methyltrienolone did for you! I know thery worked wonders for me! Let us know! Great job by the way looks likwe you put on a nice quality 8-=15# of Muskle!!!

To tell you the truth you wouldn't be able to even tell the difference. I took some pics before the tren and was going to post them but I couldn't see a difference so I never posted them. If anything it just made me look a hair drier.

Thanks!

[no1tou]

I don't know how but I am now officially stronger everywhere then I was on cycle. Last week and this week have been really good in the gym. I'm now at 206.7 lbs and seem to be gaining a hair every week now. It's very slow gains but gains none the less. I happy to be gaining again and to have kept 90% or more of my gains.