Back acne...

[RAMWolff]

Hey,

Need some advice about what I can take to overcome back acne....

I'm on a stack of Test (2 cc's a week) and Primobolan (1 cc a week)

Not a complicated stack and that's how I like it but my back is breaking out like I'm a teenager, got it a bit in the front, top ribs under my pec as well.

I'm using Liquid Torem from Ar-r as my anti estrogen to keep the gyno under control and read that anti estrogen stuff HELPS with keeping breakouts under control. Not sure if it's valid info and I don't remember off hand where I read it, another forum. In any case, if it's helping MY GOD, how much worse would this be if I wasn't taking any anti estrogen stuff?? LOL

Is there anything out there that will help with this that I can add in??

What makes it worse is I'm a picker so if I feel a bump or a pimple I want to pop it.. my hands have a mind of their own sometimes if I'm not paying attention... so that's not helping! lol

Thanks

[gymfu]

Acne sux, if your acne prone then you will always be dealing with it when you cycle, like me. The most effective acne treatment is acutane and if it is as bad as you say then a dermatologist should prescribe it for you without any trouble. Down side is acutane can be hard on your liver and the doc will run liver function blood tests everey month. There are creams that works well but it sound like your acne is in advanced stages and will be hard to get rid of with a topical cream.

[RAMWolff]

Not horrible yet, just a few really bad ones but lots of bumps. Looks like my back is really to grow crops or something! LMAO

[wormwood]

i had absolutely horrible cystic acne up until 21. Literally my face back, chest, and legs were covered. Then I took accutanne and completely cleared up. I've done 2 cycles since and no acne whatsoever.

[RAMWolff]

Problem is that I've got a compromised immune system that I take meds for so my liver is already pissed off at me as it is... not sure how accutanne is going to work on top those meds and the anabolics! :-(

[Knockout_Power]

what test are you running and what are each of the compounds dose at /mL?

[RAMWolff]

Test Enanthate 250mg/ml... I am running 2 cc's a week of that and Primodex 100mg/ml, 1 cc of that a week and am going to adding a low dose of dbol (5-15mgs daily) in a week or so when it arrives to help with bulking my body up a bit more

[Bonaparte]

Why the hell are you taking 100mg/week of Primo?? What's the point?

[RAMWolff]

It's boosting the test just enough. I don't want to be a monster or anything, I just want to get healthy and a bit bigger. If all I need is Test and DBol in the long run then I'll stick with that when the Primo is gone, I only have two bottles of it anyways and it was a trade off for some bad deca I got, burned really bad when I injected and left me practically crippled when I was walking around. SO he had these two bottles of Primo he was willing to trade out. It's better than being told "tough noogies", your out the money.

Anyways I just wanted some help getting this acne pimple thing figured out...

[Noles12]

i had absolutely horrible cystic acne up until 21. Literally my face back, chest, and legs were covered. Then I took accutanne and completely cleared up. I've done 2 cycles since and no acne whatsoever.

Same thing with me. If you dont want to deal with acne then go for accutane. It is usually a permanent fix

[RAMWolff]

I guess I can mention that to my doctor but he may not like that idea.. was hoping for some other solutions but that seems to be the main one .... wish they had one that was not as liver toxic!

[cobra305]

You can try tanning this helped keep my acne under control and I have also heard that dawn soap works as well.

[RAMWolff]

Dawn dish washing soap, really? Hmmm, that's not horrible. I do do the tanning booth. About the only thing I see that it does so far is keep my white skin tanned so at least the redness from the zits isn't noticeable! lol I hate this crap. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sigh)

[RAMWolff]

anyways, thanks for all the help good folks. I'm off to bed...

[Noles12]

Dawn dish washing soap, really? Hmmm, that's not horrible. I do do the tanning booth. About the only thing I see that it does so far is keep my white skin tanned so at least the redness from the zits isn't noticeable! lol I hate this crap. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sigh)

dawn works for some but i found it would dry me out too much and cause more acne

[cobra305]

I would use the dawn every couple days so you do not dry out to much

[Click-Boom]

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[scotty51312]

I'd make sure you checked all drug interactions before taking acutane. Acutane is very hard on your renal system. Taked with certian other drugs can cause permanant kidney damage. My doc, just a regular general physician straight out of med school perscribed doxycyclene and topical cleocin. I'd try that or possibly retin-A .5% topical before I went to the extreme measure of acutane

[bmit]

Nizoral 2%.
could be DHT conversion, so propecia
anti-bacterial with loofah scrub
high dose vitamin B
tanning
swimming in chlorinated pool
frequent showers, and changing shirts often (especially after sweating)

[Hazard]

Acne annhilator by platinum labz
benzoyl peroxide cream after shower and when waking up
tanning
shower with dawn dishwashing soap
anti-bacterial soap in shower
High dosage Vitamin B5

These are some non-liver toxic solutions.....

~Haz~

[RAMWolff]

WOW, great way to wake up to find all these solutions.. I'll print all this out. Thanks so much! :-))

[RAMWolff]

OK, on the Pantothenic Acid (B5) just how high a dose should I go for?? I take Stress B from my local health food store so I'm getting "100%" from that for my B's but I also take high doses (200Mg) of B6 (which is good for immune boosting).

I have very oily skin so not going to worry too much about the Dawn drying me out too much. I think once a day will be good. Did it last night and things are feeling a bit flater, less bumpy!

[Hazard]

BTW use a back scrubber in the shower and scrub yourself down with anti-bacterial soap or something of that sort.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

OK, on the Pantothenic Acid (B5) just how high a dose should I go for?? I take Stress B from my local health food store so I'm getting "100%" from that for my B's but I also take high doses (200Mg) of B6 (which is good for immune boosting).

I have very oily skin so not going to worry too much about the Dawn drying me out too much. I think once a day will be good. Did it last night and things are feeling a bit flater, less bumpy!

Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic acid) should be run around 10g's a day. Acne may slightly worsen for a few days as it'll push the remaining oil through the skin but then should start to clear up.

I also have very oily skin..... the dryer I can get it.... the better for me.....

~Haz~

[RAMWolff]

I was just about publish the info from Wiki about this and they suggested 10 to 20 grams a day... in terms of Milligrams, say I find it in 100 Mg's then I would have to take?? Sorry, my brain doesn't do good with conversions...

[Hazard]

I was just about publish the info from Wiki about this and they suggested 10 to 20 grams a day... in terms of Milligrams, say I find it in 100 Mg's then I would have to take?? Sorry, my brain doesn't do good with conversions...

10g's = 10,000mg's

Also..... you can talk to your dermatologist about the acne..... they would probably rather prescribe you Retin-A which is a topical treatmeant over the accutane given your condition.

~Haz~

[RAMWolff]

10g's = 10,000mg's

So if each tablet or cap is 100 Mg's only ... uh that would like a bottle a day or something.. I'll have to check in with Apple, the health food store I go to and see what they think about that.... I'm not dissing the info I just hope they have a b5 in higher doses then 100 Mg's! OMG....

Oh, so Retin-A is topical... I like that! Not sure if my insurance will cover that though, have to check on that.. I know that Benzoil Peroxide does NOTHING for me

[Hazard]

10g's = 10,000mg's

So if each tablet or cap is 100 Mg's only ... uh that would like a bottle a day or something.. I'll have to check in with Apple, the health food store I go to and see what they think about that.... I'm not dissing the info I just hope they have a b5 in higher doses then 100 Mg's! OMG....

Oh, so Retin-A is topical... I like that! Not sure if my insurance will cover that though, have to check on that.. I know that Benzoil Peroxide does NOTHING for me

i'll PM you a link to where I get my B5 - it's real cheap and in powder form.

Benzoyl peroxide works like a charm for me LOL! I abuse the shit out of it tho.

My daily regiment is as follows:

Wake up - apply 10% Benzoyl Peroxide cream
early PM - shower with anti-acterial soap and a benzoyl peroxide wash
post-shower - apply 10% Benzoyl peroxide cream

tan - twice a week (mainly for vanity )

There are other topical creams also.... theres a sulfur based cream that works for some.... and then theres the chemical that clearsil uses. I can't remember the name of it now tho....

~Haz~

[RAMWolff]

I think that's the Benzoil Peroxide that Clearasil uses (as well as other name brands) Thanks so much for the help! :-))

[Hazard]

Yeah theres another one tho..... can't put my finger on it.

Good luck with the acne man..... report back to us with what works if you can.

~Haz~

[gymfu]

Retin-A is an effective prescription cream, but lets face it guys nothing really works like acutane. That's like comparing pro hormones to AAS. Yea the former is effective but nothing like the later.

Platinum labz .com has a acne cream that work well, prob just as well as retin-A. And it's not really expensive.

The reason your acne is not in really bad shape now is prob due to the tanning, it drys the little buggers out.

One more thing, I noticed that my back acne (I always have some, even while not cycling) got better when I went on vacation to the beach and swam in the ocean. I guess the salt water is good for it too. I don't know where you live but if that's a possibility then give that a try too.

[Knockout_Power]

tea tree oil from most body spa places works very well... btw, your cycle planning is horrible... you will continue to get tons of acne if you continue like this... adding dbol is for the hell of it, wait till you see how mch water bloat and acne you get when that kicks in.

[gymfu]

ture dbol is know for acne!

[RAMWolff]

@gymfu: I'll go check out the acne cream from Platinum and see how fast they can get that to me... thanks!

@ Knockout Power: I've got teatree oil but it's so dang smelly! lol
As I stated about my cycle, my guy says to keep it simple because for what I'm looking for that's all I need. I've asked for advice as to what to do here and I get ignored because I'm a newbie and don't have time to read through pages and pages of info to get ideas. It's too convoluted to me. Testosterone and Deca are what I've always used but when I got that bad batch of deca and my guy switched it out for the Primobolan (which he stated was Arnold's fav to use) and is just about the same as deca that I would be fine. When that runs out (I will easily be able to finish this cycle with it) I'll decide to either continue with that or get back to Deca. DBol I want for the extra strength and yea a little bloat.. I'm skinny so it might be good to fill me out a bit.. you know looking in the mirror, the psychology of it all, is important too in the long run. I've heard nothing but GOOD about DBol so it's ordered and on it's way. It's just 5Mg tabs and it was suggested I do 15Mg's a day... I'll see... my body is pretty responsive to things so I may start out with just 5Mg's a day and see how that makes me feel.... If you have suggestions that are not over the top your welcome to PM with them, I don't mind...

[RAMWolff]

Yeah theres another one tho..... can't put my finger on it.

Good luck with the acne man..... report back to us with what works if you can.

~Haz~

salicylic acid Which is in the formula from Platinum so not sure if that's the route I want to after all... that stuff's not that great for me either....

[RAMWolff]

Ordered it anyway. Hey, they have a Testosterone Test kit there but I guess you have to send it to a lab to get the results?? Wonder what the lab work costs..

[Hazard]

Retin-A is an effective prescription cream, but lets face it guys nothing really works like acutane. That's like comparing pro hormones to AAS. Yea the former is effective but nothing like the later.

well.... yeah I agree..... Accutane is definately the sure fire way to clear up. However..... he can't use it due to his condition so I chose to leave it out.

~Haz~

[Swifto]

Acne annhilator by platinum labz
benzoyl peroxide cream after shower and when waking up
tanning
shower with dawn dishwashing soap
anti-bacterial soap in shower
High dosage Vitamin B5

These are some non-liver toxic solutions.....

~Haz~

Excellent post Haz.

I've used a few of those.

Acne Annhilator was good.

One thing you didnt mention was the use of an AI to control estrogen. That has almost completely stopped me breaking out and experiencing acne now using various androgens.

[Hazard]

Excellent post Haz.

I've used a few of those.

Acne Annhilator was good.

One thing you didnt mention was the use of an AI to control estrogen. That has almost completely stopped me breaking out and experiencing acne now using various androgens.

Thanks swif.....

Ai's don't help me at all..... not even a little bit - but your right.... it should be mentioned as it does work for some.

~Haz~

[scotty51312]

I would seriously recomend asking your doctor for about cleocin and doxycycline in combination. only downfall is doxycycline makes you sensitive to sunlight so tanning wouldn't be good while on it. The combo cleared me up and my back looked like a topigraphical map of the rocky mountains.