2nd Cycle Critique If You Like !!!!

[alphadog]

Test-C 750mg 1-12 weeks
Deca 400mg 1-10 weeks
Dbol 30mg/ed 1-6 weeks
Arimidex .25mg/ed 1-12 weeks
HCG 250iu/3rd day 3-12 weeks

PCT
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50

Gonna pin the test and deca ED!!! Deca 60mg/ed Test 110mg/ed, I know it works out to be a little more than my projected numbers but there is always a tiny bit left in the syringe you know.. There is no problem with that correct? And I will be mixing in the same syringe. I put on 35lbs my first cycle of Prop. Kept 30lbs of it lol. Can't wait to start this in October!!!!

[IMunchRoidz]

Why the Test-Cyp everyday?
are u taking hcg?

[austin4023]

There is no need to pin test cyp and deca ED, I have actually never even heard of this being done. I guess theres nothing wrong with doing it but you're just doing alot of unnecessary injections and IMO by the 2nd week ur gonna be very sore and not want to inject ED anymore.

[Vitruvian-Man]

lol.. yeah, pinning the longer esters each day is something a lot of my buddies are into.

by shooting longer esters like enan/cyp each day it actually produces the most stable blood levels. (better then bi-weekly.)

It's going to suck pinning like 85 times in 12 weeks though! ... I would just definitely just have gone Prop/NPP/D-bol.... but hell if you think you can handle 12 weeks then more power to yeah, lol.

Straight up, the meaning of pin-cushion.

-VM

[big_ron]

what was your dose of test p in your 1st cycle? because your adding 2 more compounds into the picture i dont think 750mg a week is needed, why not just stick to 500mg, if you responded well to that dose last time then the deca and dbol are going to be enough

[alphadog]

There is no need to pin test cyp and deca ED, I have actually never even heard of this being done. I guess theres nothing wrong with doing it but you're just doing alot of unnecessary injections and IMO by the 2nd week ur gonna be very sore and not want to inject ED anymore.

i pinned ED for 13 weeks with "painful" prop injections. Your body gets used to it. I kind of enjoy doing it everyday as kind of a ritual. And i have read and most people know pinning everyday gives you the most stable blood levels. I did not have any sides during my first cycle except i found out i am gyno prone. I have my 8 spots for rotation.

[alphadog]

what was your dose of test p in your 1st cycle? because your adding 2 more compounds into the picture i dont think 750mg a week is needed, why not just stick to 500mg, if you responded well to that dose last time then the deca and dbol are going to be enough

you bring up good points. Since im going with the 2mg of deca per body pound..(I am 202) 400mg/week.. i want to make sure the test is a decent amount higher to overcome the deca dick if that happens. My first cycle was Prop at 525mg/week.. I upped it to 700mg/week for about 3 weeks mid cycle and got even better results. so that is my thinking

[alphadog]

Why the Test-Cyp everyday?
are u taking hcg?

YESS !!! forgot to mention the hcg. starting week 3 at 250iu every 3rd day.

[big_ron]

you bring up good points. Since im going with the 2mg of deca per body pound..(I am 202) 400mg/week.. i want to make sure the test is a decent amount higher to overcome the deca dick if that happens. My first cycle was Prop at 525mg/week.. I upped it to 700mg/week for about 3 weeks mid cycle and got even better results. so that is my thinking

i know what you saying, i dont think you will get deca dick running 500mg per week, remember that deca shuts down your NATTY test production, so you will have 500mg of test no matter how much deca you take, but if you do have ED problems while on the deca (dont think you will but everyone is diff) i did a deca only cycle and was fine (not that it was smart!) there are other things like viagra and the like to help with that.

someone correct me if im wrong but i dont think upping the test to 750mg will make much of a difference

[HawaiianPride.]

someone correct me if im wrong but i dont think upping the test to 750mg will make much of a difference

Some people respond better with higher doses.

I'm in accord with what's been said about your previous test dosage. If you saw gains with 525 of Test last cycle, no need to alter this. Especially with additional compounds in the mixture.

[dec11]

pinning deca and test c ed is just stupid, waste of pins and completely unnessecary

[alphadog]

pinning deca and test c ed is just stupid, waste of pins and completely unnessecary

look at this buddy

Heres what test E looks like. Since test e and c are pretty similar, they would look near the same. Dose is 700mg/week. Again the graphs will look the same at 500mg/week or any other dose.

[alphadog]

now what do we know about stable blood levels ?

[Vitruvian-Man]

pinning deca and test c ed is just stupid, waste of pins and completely unnessecary

.... Not sooo much.

For anyone who cares about optimal concentrations, it's actually an ideal protocol.

I give props to the OP for following it. So many guys nowadays opt for the weekly or bi-weekly injection route.

OP, what are the injection sites (8) that you're going to rotate?

Can you answer my question about why not make this is a lean bulker and take advantage of short esters...?

-VM

[the big 1]

got need ALOT of needles mate !!!!

[Vitruvian-Man]

lol.. yeah, pinning the longer esters each day is something a lot of my buddies are into.

by shooting longer esters like enan/cyp each day it actually produces the most stable blood levels. (better then bi-weekly.).

Straight up, the meaning of pin-cushion.

-VM

now what do we know about stable blood levels ?

^^ Just to remind you, this was my 1st post in the thread.

-VM

[alphadog]

.... Not sooo much.

For anyone who cares about optimal concentrations, it's actually an ideal protocol.

I give props to the OP for following it. So many guys nowadays opt for the weekly or bi-weekly injection route.

OP, what are the injection sites (8) that you're going to rotate?

Can you answer my question about why not make this is a lean bulker and take advantage of short esters...?

-VM

My injection sites are left glute, right glute, left quad, right quad, left delt, right delt, left tri, right tri... And am interested in pinning in more spots to try it out haha

The only reason I'm not going with prop again is because cyp is cheaper basically.. And for a bulk the longer tests are known for more water retention which may help in heavy lifts

[Vitruvian-Man]

My injection sites are left glute, right glute, left quad, right quad, left delt, right delt, left tri, right tri... And am interested in pinning in more spots to try it out haha

The only reason I'm not going with prop again is because cyp is cheaper basically.. And for a bulk the longer tests are known for more water retention which may help in heavy lifts

Nice... you could look into incorporating the pecs into the mix. It's an excellent site IMO.

Biceps down the road too. I wouldn't bother trying calves.. It's not worth it.

Good luck.

-VM

[boDAWG]

im excited to see your results man, never heard of anyone doing ED injections but by looking at those graphs it does make sense

let us all know on the progress, and post up some pics for us to see brotha

[alphadog]

im excited to see your results man, never heard of anyone doing ED injections but by looking at those graphs it does make sense

let us all know on the progress, and post up some pics for us to see brotha

I'll def have a log and before, during, and after pics.. I haven't seen a log with pics updated throughout with this cycle.. And with my build it should be a nice example

[boDAWG]

definitely should be man

what are your goals for this cycle? and check out my new post about my Prop + Tren cycle that im starting in October and let me know what you think

[alphadog]

definitely should be man

what are your goals for this cycle? and check out my new post about my Prop + Tren cycle that im starting in October and let me know what you think

Considering I gained 35 pounds on just test alone, I hope to gain another 40 pounds on these compounds.. I will probably be pretty bloated during the cycle so but I hope to be 220 after I come off and stay at 220.. I'm 202 right now.. And this time I am really going to push myself and lift big, really take advantage of the anabolic strength

[boDAWG]

those are some insane gains man, good luck to you, im subscribing to this one and ill keep checking to see how you do

[alphadog]

those are some insane gains man, good luck to you, im subscribing to this one and ill keep checking to see how you do

Yeah the only thing that sucks is ill be starting it in october.. As I finished my 13 week cycle june 15 then PCT till july 15...

[scotimus]

So this is an interesting thread. Bumpin it

Also how many weeks are you taking off exactly? I did a 13 weaker of test e and finished my pct around July 10th so I'm just curious

[Gsxr84]

got some pics for us? i'm rather interested also. by the way how old are you mate ? !

[boDAWG]

its loike the same thiung evvery night, puissy, booze and protein haha whjhhat?

[alphadog]

So this is an interesting thread. Bumpin it

Also how many weeks are you taking off exactly? I did a 13 weaker of test e and finished my pct around July 10th so I'm just curious

I finished my pct basically the same time as you....I'm probably gonna start my next cycle in october or november.. My whole cycle with pct was 17 weeks so I'm trying to equal time on time off.. I'm going to get blood work done to see how I'm lookin soon.. That should tell me something

[alphadog]

got some pics for us? i'm rather interested also. by the way how old are you mate ? !

I'm 24... Here are my before and after pics from my first prop cycle

[boDAWG]

wow! amazing transform bro, good job

[Jfew44]

That is an impressive transformation bro. One thing I would like to see before you start your next cycle is to take a pic and post it next to those two. That way you can see how much you kept. I'm not trying to rag on you at all but IMO you weren't close to ready to cycle in that first pic. Just because you're done with your PCT doesn't mean all your gains are there to stay. Just a little (hopefully) helpful advice from someone who's been there.

[alphadog]

That is an impressive transformation bro. One thing I would like to see before you start your next cycle is to take a pic and post it next to those two. That way you can see how much you kept. I'm not trying to rag on you at all but IMO you weren't close to ready to cycle in that first pic. Just because you're done with your PCT doesn't mean all your gains are there to stay. Just a little (hopefully) helpful advice from someone who's been there.

i agree with you 100% about not being ready but i had just gotten healthy again from a wrist injury when i juiced up and was anxious to get my size back.. i was 200lbs when i ordered the gear then i got hurt before i received it so it was sitting, patiently waiting for me lol.. the second pick it me a month 2 or 3 weeks after i finished my PCT.

[dec11]

look at this buddy

yeah on paper, but you will not feel this physically mate, its too minute to notice

[dec11]

.... Not sooo much.

For anyone who cares about optimal concentrations, it's actually an ideal protocol.

I give props to the OP for following it. So many guys nowadays opt for the weekly or bi-weekly injection route.

OP, what are the injection sites (8) that you're going to rotate?

Can you answer my question about why not make this is a lean bulker and take advantage of short esters...?

-VM

can you tell me that it makes any clear difference then? it wont and you know it

[Vitruvian-Man]

can you tell me that it makes any clear difference then? it wont and you know it

Bro... the OP's goal from the get-go was to run a cycle, and in the progress keep his blood-levels stable as possible.

Will he notice it? Perhaps not.

Will it provide better gains? Perhaps not/Probably not.

Will it provide optimal blood-levels? YES.

You're calling it stupid because it's so much more pinning then most people would worth doing. Most would just opt to be shooting short esters each today.

However, that said, if one wants to keep their body's hormonal balance most stable while on AAS, then they need to inject each day.

So to answer you question, "will it make a clear difference." Yes. Absolutely.

-VM

[dec11]

Bro... the OP's goal from the get-go was to run a cycle, and in the progress keep his blood-levels stable as possible.

Will he notice it? Perhaps not.

Will it provide better gains? Perhaps not/Probably not.

Will it provide optimal blood-levels? YES.

You're calling it stupid because it's so much more pinning then most people would worth doing. Most would just opt to be shooting short esters each today.

However, that said, if one wants to keep their body's hormonal balance most stable while on AAS, then they need to inject each day.

So to answer you question, "will it make a clear difference." Yes. Absolutely.

-VM

no it wont lol, what do you think long esters are for then? mount up the tiny bit left in the syringes after pinning, on evday injects thats gona come to quite an amount wasted, good reason for not running an unnessecary pinning schedule whenever x2 a week will suffice perfectly

[Jfew44]

i agree with you 100% about not being ready but i had just gotten healthy again from a wrist injury when i juiced up and was anxious to get my size back.. i was 200lbs when i ordered the gear then i got hurt before i received it so it was sitting, patiently waiting for me lol.. the second pick it me a month 2 or 3 weeks after i finished my PCT.

Best of luck to you then bro. Log?

[alphadog]

I may swap the cyp for prop anyway... i prefer ed injections and how fast the short esters kickin... Either way i know I will see excellent results.. Better than most.. And I will have a detailed log for everyone to be jealous

[alphadog]

What doe you guys think about running bromo with this cycle ???? And or proviron ??? I'm still trying to learn here guys... No one had anything to suggest before I asked ??? Come on we're all here to help eachother right... My source doesn't seem to carry caber...

[Reed]

Pinning long esters ED.

Its what the pros do!